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   NickC | Sep 12, 2005 11:46pm | #1

   Sounds like a 23-gage micro-pinner (like a nail gun) that you can get from PC and other for about $200.

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   micr03 | Sep 12, 2005 11:53pm | #2

   Omer makes one that shoots up to 1-9/16 micro pin their about $279.00 I do high end finish carpentry and it is an excellent piece!

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   Archfella94 | Sep 12, 2005 11:55pm | #3

   I don't mind spending the money to purchase one of these but i have not had good success with using nail guns. i find that the brad nailers leave unslightly marks and holes, are the results similar to this with a pinning nailer?

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   micr03 | Sep 13, 2005 12:13am | #4

   Your going to get a hole but these pins are headless. What are you using it on?

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   Archfella94 | Sep 13, 2005 12:16am | #5

   a micro hole i can live with but a big mark from the tool i can't. using on maple, oak, cherry primarly

    

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   micr03 | Sep 13, 2005 12:30am | #6

   Oak and Cherry you can place your holes with dark spots and grain,maple is a little harder.Glue and less nails I say.The omer micro pinner does not make a gun hole.I will shoot some in some maple and take some pictures and post them later this evening.

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   Archfella94 | Sep 13, 2005 12:39am | #7

   that would be grat thank you for your help.

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   micr03 | Sep 13, 2005 03:32am | #10

   Here are a couple Pictures Of 18'21'23 guage pinners.both the 21 and the23 guage are headless.The 21 guage you can get 1-9/16 nails and the 23 only goes to 1-3/8.Omer and Cadex Here is the website.http://www.directfasteners.ca/ If you click Omer on the site go to the bottom right hand corner and click omer on the menu.good Luck,Rick

   Edited 9/12/2005 8:36 pm ET by micr03

   
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   Dave45 | Sep 14, 2005 07:07am | #21

   The 23 ga pins don't have heads so there is no "hole".  I have the Senco micropinner and absolutely love it. 

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   ring | Sep 13, 2005 01:20am | #8

   I have one of these 23-gauge pinners, made in China, but a terrific tool.  The mark it leaves is hardly visible.  I don't know how we ever got along without it for beading and glass moldings and such.  Pins are totally without heads, and 1/2" thru 1 1/4" lengths.

   DR

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   ram | Sep 13, 2005 02:18am | #9

   I have the Senco Finishpro 10 pin nailer. I find it very useful to keep things like hardwood edging in place while the glue sets, a very good tool.

   I do not however find the pins to be "nearly invisible" if used on light woods such as maple. They look like little bug specks. Acceptable but not perfect, to me. In darker woods I have trouble finding the pins.

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   UnclePaul | Sep 13, 2005 03:45am | #11

   I have a Woodtek 23ga. pinner I got from Woodworkers Supply (woodworker.com) for around $110.Find it to be adequate.It will leave the slightest hole visable in some woods , not so much in others.Not sure how it would hold up to heavy usage , as I only use it when needed - ocassionally.

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   Fingrs | Sep 13, 2005 06:14am | #12

   I have the 23 ga. Omer, which outperforms most but at a somewhat higher price.  To me, the price has been overshadowed by the tool's performance.  I tried the Woodtek and it couldn set the pins below the surface without leaving a " - " from the driver.  In the attached photos from the other woodworker, the heads of the pins seemed quite visible...not so with my Omer. 

   If you use the gun to push the workpiece into place wile nailing, you WILL get a tool mark.  Duh.  On the other hand, if you place the tip of the gun on the surface of the material being pinned while holding the material in place with your hand or a clamp you won't get a tool mark.  (For those with a very low IQ, make sure your hand is nowhere near the trajectory of the pin...sometimes it deviates in the most amazing ways)

   Like anything else, a heavy hand leaves a heavy mark.  Consider the idiot who thinks a "chop saw" operates like a hatchet or an axe. 

     

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   micr03 | Sep 13, 2005 01:03pm | #13

   In the piece of maple shown in the picture the second largest set of holes is an Omer MG 40.Its a 21 guage nail and goes to 1-9/16 long.The small holes are a piece of junk Senco Accuset which they don't make anymore.The large holes are an 18 guage Cadex.They all have their applications.If your building furniture you don't use many nails.If your putting casing up the 21 guage Omer is a thicker longer more adequate gun.Rick

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   Archfella94 | Sep 13, 2005 02:24pm | #14

   Everyone thank you for your help it appears that a pinner is the way to go. I will let you know what my results are. once again thank you.

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   Dunwright | Sep 13, 2005 07:06pm | #15

   You might want to check-out the offering from HF. The pinnerand 10k of each size pins (2) will set you back less than $40.00. It shoots the 23 ga. headless pins you are talking about.
   The magazine has positive settings for 12mm(1/2"±), 15mm, 18mm, 22mm and 25mm(1"±) ammo. Although it will accept all these lengths; HF only sells the 1/2" and 1" pins, either length 10k for $5.00-$6.00.
   I bought one a few years back, and have been happy with it. My sole use is for mock-ups and holding slight mouldings in position until the glue sets. It also worked well for the plexiglas pane retaining strips on some display cabinet doors.

   Arlington, Texas (The dash in Dallas-Fort Worth)
   Practice...'till you can do it right the first time.
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   Archfella94 | Sep 13, 2005 07:13pm | #16

   Do you have any additional information on this i am not familiar with the company that you are refering to when you say HF.

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   Dunwright | Sep 13, 2005 08:59pm | #17

   That would be Harbor Freight, perveyours of "buyer-beware" cheap-#### tools and the like. A lot of the pictured items need some scaling to realize what the original looks like. Fortunately for me, there is a walk-in store some 30 miles away. Before I buy anything from them for more than $30.00, I make the trip to examine it in my hands first.Having done so with the Micro-Pinner (then priced at $29.00) I felt it was a good buy. The only demerit awarded, is for the "trigger safety". While being 100% effective, it is just a mere arm that you manually swivel into place to disallow the trigger any movement. On the plus side, and this is a biggie, consequently the nose can get into some pretty tight places, seeing as how it does not have the same "nose safety" as any of my other air nailers.FYI As an extreme test of it's capabilities, I successfully shot a pin through a popsicle stick, without splitting it. No, not through the flat face, through it's thickness.http://www.harborfreightusa.comArlington, Texas (The dash in Dallas-Fort Worth)
   Practice...'till you can do it right the first time.

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   ufduh | Sep 14, 2005 12:30am | #18

   I have one of the "piece of junk" accuset pin nailers, I think I paid 49 bucks for it and it works very well. It is just the ticket for putting in small moldings for holding in the glass for cabinets. I would echo the comment about the holes showing in maple though. Not bad but not invisible.

   Troy

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   micr03 | Sep 14, 2005 02:38am | #19

   The accuset you have will be good for a while. I think the main problem with them is the drive goes bad quickly.
   They sure work good when you get them.I guess You pay for what you get.I have senco guns that are ten years old that I have not replaced the driver in. That gun isn't one of them.I think thats why they only made it for a short time.Now I have a piece of junk.Good luck with yours.Rick

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   ufduh | Sep 14, 2005 02:53am | #20

   I'm sure your right mine gets pretty light use. But for the price I can 't complain a lot.Troy