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   adastra | Dec 16, 2005 12:37am | #1

   Google Rikon, and you'll find one option. I have never seen this model nor heard of any reviews.

   Its a clone of a model produced by/for Record in the UK.

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   Northboundtrain | Dec 16, 2005 06:17am | #2

   Thanks.

   Here it is:  http://rikontools.com/PlanerandJointers.html  It's the model 25-010.  I guess that's basically what I had in mind.  It only weighs 147 lbs and is made of cast aluminum.   I'm used to a couple of solid old machines -- PM 60 Jointer and PM 100 Planer -- but my current space is way too small for both of these beasts.  I wonder how this thing would compare.  Was the Inca 570 aluminum too?

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   adastra | Dec 16, 2005 07:09am | #3

   I am not much help as I've not had first hand experience with either.The Inca is highly regarded and its resale price supports this. You might be able to find more if you search the Record version of the Rikon. I think its been around longer and it looks to be a clone but that doesn't mean it is exactly the same machine.It would be nice to save the space and be able to joint 10" wide work but the two-knife head does make me think a bit. However my Makita planer only has two knives and it gives a very good cut. I know there is a lot more than just the number of knives in the equation but that doesn't necessarily mean it wouldn't work nicely.Good luck, if you do go for this model maybe you can report to the forum your experience? Probably many curious about this model.

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   RickL | Dec 16, 2005 04:39pm | #4

   I don't think the void is that big. The Inca is gone from all markets except used. Parts are going to be hard to come by so I would recommend you  stay away from Inca unless you have a machine shop near by.  The Rikon looks decent. Ive seen them in person and I know a few folks with the bigger bandsaw and for half the cost of the Minimax they have no problems and love the machines. There's also the Rojek line. Then tiu get up to Robland, Hammer, etc. Look at the English woodworking mags. They have a lot of small combo planer/jointers like Kity, etc. so there is no real void if you do the research. The American market is so different from the rest of the world. Many of the combo planers have slot mortisers attached. Americans are just discovering the slot mortiser which has been in use since the late 50's in Europe.

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   jc21 | Dec 16, 2005 05:48pm | #5

   "...........what options are there?" In the mere mortal price range not many that I'm aware of. In new equipment there's the Rikon 25-010...... your local Woodcraft Supply store may have it. About $650 or so, Euro style 10" jointer and planer capacity. Fairly new model, haven't heard or seen much feedback about it. Hitachi has the P12RA, runs about $1200. 6 1/8" jointer mounted on the side and 12 9/32" planer. Used there's the Makita 2030 and the Hitachi F1000A- good machines I've used in the past; a lot more substantial than the P12RA but I suspect their 6" or so jointers are less than you want. I don't see many used Incas for sale, owners seem to hang on to them. Not much in the way of used Minimax, Hammer either.

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   Lightman | Dec 16, 2005 08:01pm | #6

   Hi,

   I recently picked up a Wadkin Bursgreen combo from a shop that was closing.  I dont know much about the machine (does anyone out there know?).  I've found a few things online.  I haven't got it connected just yet--its 3 Phase.  My high school had lots of Wadkin machinary and thats where I got to get familiar with the name.  The model is a BAO/S.   Here are the specs.

   SPECIFICATION<!----><!----><!---->

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   Thicknessing capacity;<!----><!---->

   12 1/8" x 7"<!----><!---->

   308 x 178mm<!----><!---->

   Length of thicknessing table:<!----><!---->

   24"<!----><!---->

   610mm<!----><!---->

   Overall length of surfacer tables:<!----><!---->

   42 1/4"<!----><!---->

   1,073mm<!----><!---->

   Width of surfacer tables:<!----><!---->

   12 1/4"<!----><!---->

   310mm<!----><!---->

   Rise and fall of surfacer tables:<!----><!---->

   5/8"<!----><!---->

   15mm<!----><!---->

   Maximum depth of rebate:<!----><!---->

   1/2"<!----><!---->

   12mm<!----><!---->

   Fence cants to:<!----><!---->

   45º<!----><!---->

   45º<!----><!---->

   Cutting circle diameter of cutterblock:<!----><!---->

   4"<!----><!---->

   100mm<!----><!---->

   Speed of cutterblock in r.p.m.:<!----><!---->

   5,000<!----><!---->

   5,000<!----><!---->

   Feed speeds per min.:<!----><!---->

   15ft and 30ft<!----><!---->

   4.5-9m<!----><!---->

   Floor space:<!----><!---->

   46 1/2" x 47 5/8"<!----><!---->

   1,180 x 1,210mm<!----><!---->

   Net weight:<!----><!---->

   740lb<!----><!---->

   335kg<!----><!---->

   <!----><!----> <!----> <!----> <!----> Im not sure if I will try and connect it for home use or sell it off and buy "lighter" machinary with the proceeds.  If anyone has a sense of value for the machine, please let me know.  Otherwiss best of luck in finding your dream machine.<!----><!----><!----><!---->

   <!----><!----><!----><!---->Cheers<!----><!----><!----><!---->

   <!----><!----><!----><!----><!----><!----><!----><!----> 

    

   
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   Northboundtrain | Dec 16, 2005 11:11pm | #7

   That looks like a nice tool.  It seems like the American manufacturers have really overlooked something by not making these kind of machines anymore.  The more I think about it, the more planer-jointer combos seem so logical.  First off, they both use the same exact type of cutterhead.  Second, jointing width capacity ought to equal planing width.  I mean, for $400 you can get a good 12" bench planer.  But if you want to face joint that same 12" board, you need a machine that costs 2 grand minimum.

   If someone would make a decent combo machine -- cast iron tables, 10"-12" width capacity, 2 hp or so -- and could sell it for $1,500 - $2,000, I bet it would be an instant success. 

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   Troy | Dec 19, 2005 09:22am | #8

   Looks like a neat machine. Let us know how it works if you get it set up.

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   philip | Dec 25, 2005 12:26am | #12

   Wood, that is a superb machine. I do not own one , but have seen many of those operating under really tough use. But I own a Dominion -which is from the same tribe and basically the same.
   If I were you I would strip it down, clean everything, examine /replace bearings etcre-assemble and adjust . Built like a tank, from real cast iron, designed to last for ever. A proper industrial machine not too big for a non factory environment.You are lucky.Philip Marcou

   
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   jc21 | Dec 19, 2005 05:51pm | #9

   Fwiw, there's an Inca jointer/planer for sale in the classified section of Knots, asking $850.

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   Germey | Dec 22, 2005 10:33pm | #10

   For a really cheap alternative, FWW JULY/AUGUST 2004
   #171 has a "methods of work" submission of a jig to face joint wide stock using a portable planer. The guy who submitted it says that he initialy did it for the cases where he needed to joint something wider than 6", but now he actually prefers it and leaves his jointer mostly idle. The jig looks pretty simple.
   Jeremy
   San Diego, CA

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   RickL | Dec 23, 2005 05:02pm | #11

   We have a 20" jointer in our shop. There's no comparison to having a wide jointer versus the sled.  I'm really skeptical of the writers of such articles who make such statements.  He should add the disclaimer of being a hobbyist and professional serious amateur woodworkers would be best with a full size jointer.

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   whiteoak590 | Dec 27, 2005 07:04am | #13

   Not many as I also recently found out. I looked at a Hammer 12" jointer planner which was $3500 on sale. It is an awesome machine but I was afraid I would spend far more than that on a divorse attorney if I bought it.

   You are right in that there is a void. I also like the safety features in the European models which are far safer than our Western/Taiwanese models.

   Dan