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   polarsea1 | Mar 04, 2009 08:30am | #1

   I've got the K2000 and it works fine. I think the main improvement in the newer model is dust collection.

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   Shoemaker1 | Mar 04, 2009 03:44pm | #2

   I have the K2000. Works just fine.
   The price is a moot point after you start to use it. Slicker than Frog's hair!!!
   I talk to a lot of folks who have never used one and wonder why?
   My only regret was not getting one sooner.

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   user-259615 | Mar 04, 2009 10:36pm | #3

   I don't know if it's just me but I really can't get on with commercial PH jigs. It's not that they are badly made (they are not), it's that they are badly designed. Because the screw goes in at an angle, the two components always seem to creep so they are no longer flush. For some things it doesn't matter too much, but for others its important. Yes I know you can clamp the joint up tight first, but if it's a 7ft wardrobe base.....

   I use PH joinery regularly for wardrobes and the like and I use a couple of jigs to make the pocket and hole. The jigs cost me nothing to make and THEY DO A BETTER JOB. The screw enters square to the surface so creep is minimized.

   For the price of that one Jig you could by a whole suite of DVDs on jigs (and not just mine, either)and still have change for dinner.

   I'll sort out some pictures and post them in the Jigs section.

   Cheers
   Steve

   Space is more valuable than the junk that occupies it.
   Woodworking DVDs and the Ultimate Tablesaw Tenon Jig from http://www.workshopessentials.com
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   oldusty | Mar 05, 2009 05:26am | #7

          Steve and All ,

              There are several issues or areas of importance when you talk about

                  the angle of the screw and the creeping problem  and such.    

            This can happen with some circumstances  regardless of the jig used .   

          First off I will say that a true 90° cut will always out perform , how good are your cuts , really ?

          Make sure you start the screw on the correct angle to clear your screw gun from hitting the back of the face .

        Try to run them in , in one burst !

          Also if you are not clamping face down to a flat surface while screwing but only clamping end to end will allow more movement .

         A person develops a method that works for them , and may work for others as well. It's all good .

           The Castle machine is sweet and much similarities do you think ?

             I think your need as a hobby or a professional will dictate your budget

         this is first hand experience from an old  pocket holer from way back

                        " That's not a PH Jig "

                     This , is a PH Jig

    

           regards     dusty         

   
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   dgreen | Mar 05, 2009 05:33am | #8

   I do love my Castle! 

    

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   Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot

   
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   oldusty | Mar 05, 2009 07:07am | #9

      You Da Man ,

               Lucky Man at that !

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   user-259615 | Mar 05, 2009 10:49am | #10

   Even I will admit that mine doesn't compare with that! :)
   Cheers
   SteveSpace is more valuable than the junk that occupies it.

   Woodworking jig DVDs and The Ultimate Tablesaw Tenon Jig from http://www.workshopessentials.com

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   dgreen | Mar 05, 2009 11:14am | #11

   I will freely admit that hobbyists and many talented professionals do not need that machine, but you seem like a person who could come up with a better jig than you are offering. Looking at the results afforded by the Kreg and the results of using yours you must admit the end product of yours is fugly.

   I have no doubt you can do better with the application of a little thought. Whether you can make one with acceptable results to the market desiring them and still make a profit is what separates the men from the boys.

   For an example of how to advertise your products without arousing the ire of possibly oversensitive types like me take a look at Routerman's posts. Very understated, very classy, very high quality.

   I have confidence in you, good luck to you sir. 

    

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   Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot

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   terrylee86 | Mar 06, 2009 04:33pm | #18

   The Castle is the best. I hope the the routers in mine don't die because I think Dewalt,in their infinite wisdom, discontinued the routers in that machine. Maybe Castle has adapted to new units. Steve, the Castle machine make a much flatter angle for the screw.

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   dgreen | Mar 06, 2009 08:15pm | #19

   I bought spare routers for mine. The bearings are off the shelf items as are the brushes. Keep an eye on your brush wear and blow the motors out occasionally and you will probably never have a problem. 

    

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   Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot

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   terrylee86 | Mar 07, 2009 05:48am | #20

   Some people are ahead of the curve, some are on the curve and some of us don't even know where the curve is sometimes. That was smart of you. I on the other hand can't see the leaks in my roof because it is not raining.

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   JeffHeath | Mar 10, 2009 03:41am | #22

   That's not a knife........this here's a knife....

   he he he

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   oldusty | Mar 10, 2009 04:34am | #23

     Yup ,  you got it Jethro !

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   BrianDerr | Mar 10, 2009 08:57am | #24

   The only thing the photo lacks is you standing in front with a large bowie knife! Inspiring jig.Brian

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   RalphBarker | Mar 04, 2009 10:49pm | #4

   Pockethole joinery should only be discussed at RoughWoodworking.com. ;-)

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   Wolfman | Mar 04, 2009 11:15pm | #5

   Thank you all for your replies.

   Steve, would love to see your setup. Will check the Jigs section periodically.

   Ralph, you probably had the same attitude about the automobile and light bulb. LOL.

   I think I'm leaning towards the K3 Master system, it had an easier stock thickness adjustment and the clamping lever is on the drill side of the jig.

   Thanks again.

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   user-259615 | Mar 05, 2009 02:18am | #6

   I've posted a few pics in the Jigs section - enjoy!
   Cheers from England
   Steve
   Space is more valuable than the junk that occupies it.
   Woodworking DVDs and the Ultimate Tablesaw Tenon Jig from http://www.workshopessentials.com

   Edited 3/4/2009 6:23 pm by Steve Maskery

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   RalphBarker | Mar 05, 2009 09:18pm | #12

   "Ralph, you probably had the same attitude about the automobile and light bulb. LOL."Yep. My burro gets 42 MPG (as in gallon of oats) and all my lamps run on roadrunner oil. (It takes a lot of roadrunner catching to come up with a cup of oil.) ;-)

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   Wolfman | Mar 05, 2009 10:19pm | #13

   Ralph,

   Have you been eating the peyote again? Burro's, Oil from Roadrunner's? Next you'll be telling us all you cut your own joints by hand.

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   RalphBarker | Mar 05, 2009 10:35pm | #14

   For a guy my age, I'm pretty flexible. Some joints I cut by hand, some I cut with machines. But, I gave up rolling them back in the '60s. ;-)

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   Wolfman | Mar 05, 2009 10:46pm | #15

   Ha ! Now thats funny.

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   KiddervilleAcres | Mar 06, 2009 03:40am | #16

   Ralph,

   So, now you just turn your own bowls?

   Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

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   RalphBarker | Mar 06, 2009 03:49am | #17

   LOL

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   Fiveoaks | Mar 09, 2009 07:34pm | #21

   I bought the K2000, it was on a closeout likely to bring in the new model. It's great, easy to set up and use. I looked at the K3 but couldn't justify the extra $$ especially when you get the exact same holes.

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   KB10 | Mar 13, 2009 01:51am | #25

   A trick that I use to keep the stock flush after screwing your pieces together is to fold a piece of paper a few times and clamp it under the the piece that has the pocket holes in it.  The offset let the two pieces come together flush.  You have to play around with the number of folds depending on wood species and glue.