That phrase does not keep a discussion open. I’ll waste no more of your time.
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Care to explain what you're talkin' about?
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"It is what we learn after we think we know it all, that counts."
John Wooden 1910-
Hey clem,
So,....what's your point?
HAhahahahahaha
Ray
Gertrude and Heathcliff they're two seagulls, see?
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Kind of like ! WASHINGTON ?!
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
Never argue with an idiot, passerby's will wonder who the real idiot is.
Is this a dear John letter ?
Mr. C, why don't you take email from Knots??
Couldn't say it privately, so will go public.
And what's with this shot-from-the-bushes and then "I won't waste any more of your time." Hogwash, that.
Funny, so often there's a big stink from the libertarians about how Taunton tries too much to control Knots, but then when a Taunton person doesn't phrase something just so, gently, not to hurt anyone's feelings, this kind of flak starts flying. Sheesh.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 5/23/2007 12:04 pm by forestgirl
FG:I am still trying to figure out what the fuss is all about. I also notice that Cadid has not read any of the subsequent comments (at least according to the header).Maybe John was a little brusque, but I have read his comments several times and I interpret them essentially as "stop worrying about the exact measurement, adjust it so it works and enjoy making things".I am totally flabbergasted that someone would recuse themselves from this valuable and enjoyable forum based on such a minor preceived slight. A real case of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.Regards,Hastings
I agree with your assessment. Cadid's in a snit, it happens, though not so often here at Knots as another forum I visit -- Knots members tend to be a little tougher. I'm sure he'll get over it.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Don't know if my 2 cents will help any, but I hope so. I'm a newbie here, so maybe my perspective should be heard. Just getting my feet wet in woodworking and setting up a small shop. I've cruised the posts and it's easy to see who the active posters are....the really active ones are everywhere including here on this string of posts. I enjoy reading them. I'm beginning to get a sense of the personalities behind the posts of a good number of you. Some of you go off on tangents, some of you get esoteric, some of you split hairs, but what the heck. It's a forum, and there's a comraderie. I also see John W. pop in on quite a few. I usually see him do that when a response that cuts to the chase is needed, and I never perceive him doing it as more than one more woodwork loving contributor that has a heck of a lot of experience. This is a forum. Everyone's (including John's and my) 2 cents should be welcome anytime.
And by the way....you can say that the reason I'm talking to you now is John. I had a question about how to cool a workshop I sent to him with specific questions about swamp coolers. He told me what he knew, but being an Easterner with little experience with swamp coolers he suggested I post it in Knots (yeah..go figure)and throw myself into the wonderful weird world of wacky woodworkers. You folks helped a lot, and I'm looking forward to opening discussions as I get more involved in my shop.
So come on back Cadid. It takes all kinda voices to make a choir.
charliep.s. - and for those of you who followed the recent "water heater" discussion, you can include me in that strange (to an Easterner) species of West coast dwellers who have an attached garage, a gas water heater, and no basement. We'd love to have basements out here....we really would!.....but the cement slabs get in the way....
Edited 5/25/2007 4:12 am ET by charlie4444
Edited 5/25/2007 4:27 am ET by charlie4444
Edited 5/25/2007 4:39 am ET by charlie4444
Damn.
Looks like a missed a good one. I love a good jointer discussion. Of course it is second to a shaper/router debate. When someone can get their feelings hurt over something so rediculous I worry. I worry because that is the same person who drives like an a$$hole, but thinks that every one else is out to slow him down. The ol' center-of-the-universe disease.
I'll tell yall what. We should look to Forrest Girl as an example for this forum. I have seen her take some horrible verbal abuse in the past, and she never threw a fit, blamed Knots, insulted all the other posters, or maligned everyone else over it. She simply tells them they are idiots and drops it. That is class.
Maybe it is because I am from Texas, but whining like a little girl and throwing a fit like a little boy because some said something mean to you is just not done. And no man or woman deserves respect if they cant keep a stiff upper lip over water under the bridge.
And that is just lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut.
Sorry, I just wanted to use that phrase even though is mikes no sence to this discussion.
LOLPardon my spelling,
Mike
Make sure that your next project is beyond your skill and requires tools you don't have. You won't regret it.
Well said mudman...and long overdue. Sometimes I wonder where all the adults went. Get over it and get on with it.Jeff
holy cow...
I scarcely care about anyone's opinion in real life, unless I think it could be constructive.
But to argue with words on a computer screen??
And to get upset over it???
uh....no thanks.
Boardman,
I think it's pointless to pointlessly discuss a pointless post about pointless arguing. My point is..uhh..nevermin...
Ray
Well said, ROFL!!!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I think that point was off a couple thou....
Cadid,
This thread must be a follow on from another that I am not aware of.
There is no way to know what is going on here.
However, that will not stop me.
I don't understand the term "Pointless arguing". Arguing is its own reward. It is inherently a good thing to do. It is what makes the sun spin. It is what keeps most people going, day after day. There is only so much enjoyment and fulfillment one can get from one's job and from one's marriage, BUT the joys of argument are unlimited!!!!! How can it be pointless?
Watch the homeless person on the streetcorner -- yelling and screaming and arguing with some unknown and unseen heathen. He is really enjoying that. That is why he does it. He argues with an unseen entity because arguing is so much fun. Even if you have lost your mental faculties, and you cant do anything else, you can still argue!
Watch the people walk by with cell phones. They are arguing, and their hands are waving, and they are waxing poetically with friends and family. What could be more fun!!!
Watch the Senators and Congressmen on TV. Look at them argue. It is a thing of beauty to see those $100 haircuts on people who argue with big words.
Watch the lawyers argue. That is what they do. It is an art form.
"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit."
If you don't believe that arguing is its own reward, read anything in the Woodworkers Cafe. Heck, read almost anything on Knots. How can you say that the biscuit joiner is not the most important tool that I have?
If it weren't for arguing, most people would be bored stiff.
Arguing gives you a reason to live -- to feel important -- to feel like you are controlling everyone else. For many people, arguing let them be all they can be. (Just like the ad for the Army.)
I'll bet that arguing is the thing that most people do most of the time (except for sleeping). I'll bet that people spend more time arguing than eating.
If you don't believe me,
would you like to argue about it????
We need to recognize arguing for what it is -
--- a way of life.
--- a reason to live.
--- a reason to feel important.
--- a way to hone reasoning skills for when they are really needed.
I have even thought of a new slogan, based on a quote from General Patton: "Arguing is hell. God how I love it."
So let's not hear any more about "Pointless argument". There is no such thing. What would most couples do to fill time, if they couldn't argue? Lawyers would have to find real jobs. Congress and the Senate would have to fold up shop. The American way of life would crumble.
Enjoy,
Mel
Measure your output in smiles per board foot.
Took me a while to figure out what this was about. It's from the jointer table adjustment thread.36076.21.
Cadid must have been having a bad day, he's usually thicker skinned!
Like you I love a good argument, it's good exercise and cheap entertainment.------------------------------------
It would indeed be a tragedy if the history of the human race proved to be nothing more than the story of an ape playing with a box of matches on a petrol dump. ~David Ormsby Gore
Every single point you made Mel, is wrong, wrong, wrong.
And I'll brook no dissension, because I'm always right, so there.
Darn, will somebody please pick my dummy off the floor and put it back in the pram for me? Ta. Ha, ha-- ha, ha, ha. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
Richard,
I know Mel, and he has a good point. When he wears a hat, no one can see it.
HAR!
Ray
D'ya mean like Merlin the Magician's hat, Ray, or perhaps a chef's hat? Surely not like a pedal pushing, blue and white hoop jumpered garlic seller's beret? Slainte.
Richard Jones Furniture
Edited 5/23/2007 6:14 pm by SgianDubh
...and don't forget this fine list of topics for arguments.http://forums.taunton.com/fw-knots/messages?msg=30119.23Pete
Richard,
Precisely, just like the ones I wear in the shop.
Ray
Is not...
;)
Metod,
I just jotted that down, off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure I have a point there...
Ray
Is that why you wear a funnel as a hat?
I have read this thread, and the one that launched it (about setting up a jointer), and, at the risk of being serious, would make a pointed argument:1. There are many ways to approach the issue of jointer (and machine setup), knife changing and the like.2. Some of the approaches are based on a good general understanding of the machine, others are a response to a specific machine or machine type (dovetailed vs parallelogram, HHS knife vs carbide, Delta vs Grizzly, etc).3. Some approaches are overly fussy (tending towards aeronautical precision), others are misguided or just urban legends.4. I respect the good sense that JohnWW brings to these discussions, and generally find his opinions to be sound. They are not the last word however- either in jointer setup or in hot water heaters. Moreover, I don't think he represents them as such.5. What is most helpful to me, and I suspect to many others, is to hear a variety of opinions and their justifications, to think about them, and perhaps try a few, and develop a system that works in my own shop. That is the real value of a forum like Knots.6. Every idea comes with its own assumptions and baggage. An example: there have been quite a few threads debating the virtue of dovetailed vs parallelogram jointer designs. When I bought my 8" Grizzly a couple of years ago, I was keen on having long beds, and a carbide cutting head so that I would not have to change HSS knives. That is what I valued. At the time, I could not find a machine that had the above and a parallelogram design at a price I was willing to pay. So I bought a dovetailed machine. Another poster felt strongly about having a parallelogram design. His reasoning, if I remember correctly, was that he had to repair and shim a bunch of dovetailed machines in trade and high schools and felt that the parallelogram design was superior. Foe me, a dovetailed machine in a one man shop where no one will be parking his butt on the outfeed table made sense. I check for coplanarity every few months, and I have not had to make an adjustment yet, so for me it was a good choice (haven't had to change the cutting knives yet either). For a school, or a multiuser shop, perhaps the parallelogram design would be better.7. My advice about jointer setup: make sure your tables are coplanar. Check the position of your cutting head and your knives. If having the outfeed table a few thou lower than the cutting head floats your boat, go ahead- else set it to be even. Try it both ways- do whatever works best for you and your machine.8. Try to be polite in your posts (something I am working on), don't impute the worst motives to people who disagree with you- give them the benefit of the doubt.End of pointed arguments. Now, about Festool...
Glaucon
If you don't think too good, then don't think too much...
Good speech-and there is absolutely nothing wrong with a well made dovetailed table....Faced with a choice between the two types from quality manufacturers I would look to other features to influence a choice one way or the other.Philip Marcou
Board,
Yeah, that's me, with Manfred, the Wonder Dog.
At school, the teacher would make me a special pointed hat, out of paper, rolled up. It was a while before I realized she didn't think I was a wizard...
Ray
Ray -
You certainly gave your age away with that one.
The only reason I knew about Tom Terrific was that...uh...uh...my Dad told me about him! Yeah, that's it....my Dad told me!
Board,
That was a test, and unfortunately, you passed. I know that you're a geezer now.
Ray
Let's argue about it.
Board,
Forget about arguing. I don't argue with old geezers like you, because you can't even remember what the point of the, ah,,,,uhh,,,wha...ummm.....
Ray
<<Yeah, that's me, with Manfred, the Wonder Dog.>>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was "Mighty" Manfred -- small detail, and for the record, I was once kicked out of class for fabricating (nice little shiplap joint) and then donning a dunce cap -- while standing in the corner for a prior offense.Mike
Is too!
Did not.
Ray
Mike,
As I remember, it was Mighty Mouse, not mighty Manfred. I mighty be wrong though.
Ray
Metod,
Teacher called me a "dunce", but I was too stupid to know what that meant.
Ray
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