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   clampman2 | Jan 31, 2003 08:00am | #1

   Woodchuck,

   Routing a groove is not ideal because the front edge of the partition must be recessed back from the faceframe to allow the door or doors to close. You would have to dado the faceframe as well as the bottom to get the partition out.

   If you use rack and pinion or Accurides with the wire, you can position the lower tracks (or racks) above the bottom far enough to allow room for a cleat flat on the bottom. Then build a box, (without a bottom), and use tight adjustable shelves to spread the sides of the box at the bottom so they are snug to the cleats.

   That is one option.

   Clampman

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   Chuck | Jan 31, 2003 07:44pm | #2

   i think i saw the plan for an entertainment center in AW. He used "magic wire" with piolet holes  to set this, and routed the edges to receive the wire. Where is this wire and how do I get it ? the top portion of the cabinet where the TV goes is where I would like an adjustable shelf above the TV for electronics. the partition would be between the TV and pocket door with shelf pin holes for the adjustable shelf. I dont plan on using a face frame as the carcass will be solid oak , the shelves will be plywood. the simpler i can keep the design the better.

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   clampman2 | Feb 01, 2003 04:53am | #3

   Woodchuck,

   If you think the partition would be too squirelly you can always put a 1/4" back on it to firm it up and hold it square, and a couple small screws into the cleat to hold the bottom in place.

   I never heard of magic wire.

   Clampman

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   rslatm | Feb 02, 2003 11:37pm | #4

   Hafele sells magic wire, also known as swedish or shelf wire. Great stuff. Hafele is based in Archdale NC. Don't have the url or number handy but you can look it up easily enough.

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   clampman2 | Feb 03, 2003 07:17am | #5

   Rick,

   What is it for?

   Clampman

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   rslatm | Feb 03, 2003 08:22am | #6

   Shelf standards. You should contact Hafele to get a visual on the application and it will be clear how to use it. Very simple and clean and invisible. Got any of those Danish furniture stores near you? They use it on their book cases a lot.

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   Chuck | Feb 03, 2003 05:08pm | #7

   Rick,

   i am glad to see someone knows where, how and why this magic wire is used. is this stuff for real? what is the availability on the street and does it cost much?

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   rslatm | Feb 03, 2003 05:37pm | #8

   http://www.selbyhardware.com/catalog/3.htm

   X-520  Shelf magic.

   I bought 100 pieces recently for $7 at hafele

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   Chuck | Feb 03, 2003 05:53pm | #9

   Rick, thanks, I would like to use it in this particular application, seems like a good thing.

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   jgaiennie | Feb 03, 2003 09:30pm | #10

   Could you use your original plan of a removable partition, but instead of putting it in a dado, just put a couple of nail-in (or otherwise fastened) stops on either side of it, top and bottom?  The stops would create the same effect as that of a dado but would not show on the face frame.  I can even envision this so that the stops could fit in stopped rabets on the end of the partition, virtually concealing them altogether - well at least cleaning it up a little.

   jdg

   
   

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   Edited 2/3/2003 1:34:03 PM ET by jdg

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   Chuck | Feb 03, 2003 10:45pm | #11

   I appreciate your response. I wonder if every woodworker(not you personally) designs each project out with meticulous care. Myself, I plan, plan and plan some more. Most often, solutions are self-evident if not right handy. I try not to get in over my head, and protect myself, especially if I am working for a client. This "magic wire" as eluded to earlier seems like the ticket. One could put a stopped dado so as not to see the joinery. I guess the old saying is true " a picture is worth a thousand words". My drawings are not mechanical as much as they are thorough. I pay attention to scale if needed, but since I dont sell the drawing just the end result as long as I understand it thats what matters most. Are there some craftsmen out there in the field of woodworking that do their own designs according to a clients needs and wishes much like an architect?

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   jgaiennie | Feb 03, 2003 11:17pm | #12

   Is this horse dead?  I don't want to beat it. 

   Were you asking for a pic.  Heres a quick sketch of what I was talking about.

   Edited 2/3/2003 3:17:33 PM ET by jdg

   
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   Chuck | Feb 04, 2003 04:40am | #13

   hey thats great! Now I know what your talking about. Thanks.

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   Elcoholic | Feb 04, 2003 11:09pm | #14

   Magic wire for sure.  All you have to do is drill a couple of holes and plow a stopped grove in the top and bottom edges of the partion.  They sell 'em at Rockler too.John O'Connell - JKO Handcrafted Woodworking

   Life is tough.  It's tougher if you're stupid - John Wayne