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   ron61 | May 04, 2003 12:40am | #1

   anyone?

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   ron61 | May 04, 2003 12:41am | #2

   anyone?

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   RW | May 04, 2003 02:07am | #3

   Aw heck, you're persistant at least. Just don't tell me I'm blowing hot air at ya. I don't like the proposition. You don't need that much shellac to get the color you want. The amber will do it in a couple of thin coats, and if you want more color than that gives you, dye the shellac.

   My second bone is it's rarer than frog hair to find amber shellac in dewaxed form, and Zinnser isn't. So your real issue is going to be watching the lacquer flake off from the wax content in the shellac, kind of like if you sprayed it on a sheet of plastic. You want dewaxed blonde shellac, which you can either buy in flake form (at which point you're using dyes to get your color), or you can get it if your local Zinnser supplier has started carrying Seal Cote. But the hitch there is if you dye shellac and brush it, the opportunity for distinct lines of color from brushing is significant, which leaves you with spraying. If I recall correctly, you were recently considering getting into the spray world, and may not be there yet.

   Which begs the question, if you can't use amber shellac for the color, why use the shellac at all? Reverting to the KISS principle, get a stain in the color you want, you can even have it color matched if an off the shelf formula isn't your bag.

   If you want to pursue the shellac options, check out http://www.homesteadfinishing.com. I don't go there much, but if anyone has amber, dewaxed, he will, as well as Transtint dyes if you want to look into that. "The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb "      lyrics by Roger Waters

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   ron61 | May 04, 2003 10:12pm | #4

   Thank you RW

   Sorry about the hot air crack did not mean that for everyone or you. Seems that when I try to find out something people get off on other things sometimes.

   I have 2 looks that I like the Amber & Dark Mission look  

   I just want to get the finish right- I did not know about the orange shellac not being dewaxed and the Lacquer flaking off.

   Thanks for your info. about the Shellac.

   Hope I haven't piss you off " to much"

   Ron

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   RW | May 05, 2003 12:47am | #6

   Yer not pizzin me off at all. I like finish questions since I tend to have a clue there better than some of the other topics. I just have to have something to start with. Are you much of a bookworm? There so many good books out there (and a feast of not so good ones). If you were the reading kind, they, and some experimentation, would go great lengths to satisfying your lust for intel. And really, just playing around with it is the best way to learn it. I made a point for a couple of years to make a weekend project out of some different finish techniques, every weekend for at least a couple of years, I'd try something else. I used whatever I had and just treated that piece of scrap like it was something important. I goofed up a ton of good firewood that way, but I learned a lot, I invented a little, and got to the point where I like finishing real well, which it seems is rare with people who like making sawdust. I still get bit every once in a great while trying to so something out of the ordinary, but thats life. One of my golden rules became never do something for the first time on a real piece. Get the kinks out first. Hard to stick to.

   If you like the dye idea, try mixing the honey amber with just a little medium brown or red brown, depending on how brown / red you want it to look.

   The dark mission look - try gilsonite. Go to sherwin, they carry it as a wiping stain concentrate in their Sherwood line. Cut it about 50/50 with mineral spirits for wiping. You can cut it more if you like - it's pretty stiff coming out of the can.

   For what it's worth, I don't like beans much. Gives my gut a hard time. And just about anything over waxed shellac will give you problems. You can try to get the wax out by letting the jar sit for a day or so until the top is clear and the bottom is hazy, then pour the top off real gently. You'll get most of it out that way. I've done it, but it's just the pain of waiting when you want to go right now, and even though it worked, my head says it shouldn't have. "The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb "      lyrics by Roger Waters

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   ron61 | May 04, 2003 11:21pm | #5

   Could you do a coat of deft sanding sealler over the shellac and the do the deft  Lacquer with out the flaking off?

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   ron61 | May 06, 2003 04:45am | #8

   Rw

   I went over to Homestead Finishing and ask about the Lacquer Waxed Shellac thing check it out-

   Ron - lacquer will stick to the shellac with no problems. The finishes that don't work with waxed shellac are polyurethane and water-base finishes. If you use polyurethane or water-base finish, use DE-waxed shellac as a sealer. Another option you could use is to add a little Honey Amber dye to a portion of your lacquer and use that in place of the shellac. Adding dye to your finish gives you complete control over the color and you only need one finish (along with some dye(s)). If you want to experiment with the dye, add 1/4 ounce of dye to one quart of lacquer and do a sample to test the color. You can add more dye, 1/4 ounce at a time, to make it darker. Usually 1/4 -1/2 ounce dye is plenty. You can use a few coats of color if you need to. Then use a coat or two of clear lacquer over the colored lacquer to protect the color layer(s).

   _________________Paul

   I thought you might like to see what Paul had to say

   It really looks good did you see the pic.? I think it looks pretty good for that old look

   What do ya think?

   
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   KyleZ | May 05, 2003 04:51am | #7

   Ron,

   If you mix your own shellac using Orange Shellac flakes, you will get the same color as the premixed Amber shellac.  The advantage to mixing your own is that it would be 99% dewaxed, so that you will have no worries about peeling, etc. when putting other finishes on top of it.

   Shellac flakes are not difficult to find.  I get mine at my local hardwood supplier.  You can also get them from Jeff Jewitt's site http://www.Homesteadfinishing.com or http://www.Garrettwade.com.

   I can't really answer your original question, sinceI don't usually use lacquer.  I am not set up for spraying, which is where lacquers really shine.  Recently, I have been using shellac as a sealer for wipe on poly, and it has been working well.

   Good Luck

   Kyle

   
   

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   Edited 5/4/2003 9:53:56 PM ET by Kyle