simple dining table for cane chairs with hand rest
vjeko
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Could someone with more experience indicate what options/alternatives
there are for the table which will allow hand rest to go underneath it
i.e. the usual aprons get in the way
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One possiblity is a trestle table where the apron runs down the center and the cross supports can be straddled by the chair arms.
how high do you want to put these arms. arms should clear an apron, which shouldn't fall any lower than 24" off the floor. if these are for taller people than the overall height of the table could be higher. tables can run anywhere between 28-31" tall in relationship to their requirements. I would suggest testing different armchairs for ease and comfort at the height thta you want
ron
One option is to let the arm rests of the chair go part of the way under the table by setting the aprons back further from the edge. On a large dining room table I have gone eight inches back without it looking strange. This may not help with empty chairs around a table but with people sitting in them , unless they are very thin, you don't have to get that close to the table anyway... at least I don't with a 44 waist.
Thanks for all the info/suggestions !
I guess I should have given a few more details to narrow it down.
The table is for two people and would like it to be of simple design,
so trestle table is not a possibility.
The aim of using the cane chair was to have real comfort but unfortunatelly
the hand rest problem came with the idea.
Cane chair dimensions :
seat to floor = 39cm (15.3 in.)
hand rest to floor = 66cm (26 in)
seating back to tip of hand support 50cm (19.6 in)
Not sure if I understood sid works – arms should clear the aprons – do
you mean arms should go under the aprons – am thinking it would make
the table too high for eating/dining.
Swenson – what sort of gap do you have between the arm rest top and under side
of the table (worried about people pinching their fingers) / any problems
with people pincing their hands between the hand rest and apron ?
The eight inch set back of the apron is not going to work on a small table for two because it would make the base too narrow. The space above the arm rest is not a problem with a formal dining room chair as I don't rest my arms under the table just my elbows as a rule. I can see your problem with a less formal wicker chair that you want to relax in as you eat. You are stuck with the height of the chair so you have to make the apron narrow enough and the top of the table high enough to clear your arms and the chair arms yet low enough to be comfortable.
Table for two.. Would it really need an apron?
they do sound like an oddball set of chairs with the seat 2-3" lower than normal and the arm rests about 2" higher than normal, which makes the arm rests situated about 4" higher than normal. your not really giving us any clues as to your height so one can calculate the dimensions required. no clues as to what you would like to see in a table although you say small some dimensions would help. what kind of a leg structure are you interested in which also stipulates whether or not that it requires a skirt. when you can answer those concerns.. then it can point someone in a direction of an answer
ron
I'm thinking that he has a wicker porch chair , low to the ground with high arms. Perhaps a long thin table top just wide enough to fit between the arms would work.
The picture of the chair (without cushions etc.) is attached. I bought
these chairs for two small studio apartments I have here on the
coast in Croatia hoping to give the guests a more comfortable
stay. The problem is that I stuck my beginner woodworker neck out and promised
my wife I would do the woodwork in the apartments (to justify
the investment in my woodworking hobby tools) and now the
start of the tourist season is haunting me also.
I'm looking for the simplest practical solution.
That's exactly the way I pictured them. Had some like it at our lake place years ago and they were the most comfortable place to sit while reading a good book. I think the problem is that they were designed for lounging on a porch and not for sitting at a table.
terminology is always a problem. cane and wicker are two different things. and you are correct ; they are not designed for sitting at a table, but are better off being used beside a table. Find some chairs that will better accomodate your guests so that they will be more comfortable sitting at a table
ron
For a small table setting two, I think you can get away with a narrow apron or no apron depending on the thickness of the table top and weight of the materails. To keep it simple, you might think in terms of using corner hardware and screw bolts for the legs. Then you can beef up the apron with thicker, but narrower boards. The fine wood wook types around here may not like the solution, but for a rental/vacation property something that will be easy to repair and simple to assemble/disassemble may make the most sense.
"The fine wood wook types
"The fine wood wook types around here may not like the solution". it is not that they may like the solution, it is just that he would not be doing his guests a favour by using them for use at a table, they won't be that comfortable to use, just cheap for him.
there are woodwooders who like to be professional about what thay do and take pride in it, same as in the legal profession I would imagine, though you have a few there that seem to have devious wys of doing things.
ron
Comfort....
Comfort at a table is a factor of height and stabilty. A small table can be made stable with the use of hardware and bolts. Would I do it that way... maybe not. But for a piece of furniture that serves a need, functions well andis not intended to last for generations, a simple direct solution that will work is okay. I will not turn my nose up at someone elses solution just because I would not always select the same solution. Too many folks around here will turn there noses up is it is not in there defination of fine woodwork.
nothing to do with the stability of the table. simple solution is to use a chair that is designed to be used comfortably at a table that it is intended for. this has nothing to do really about fine furniture. that chair that he failed to descrbe properly is to low and to deep in the seat to be comfortable eating at a table
ron
Pride and proper proportion
I take pride in my work. I certainly work hard to deliver value for the money my client pay me, sometimes at my own expense. But let me ask you a question that is only slightly hypothetical, would it be right of my to spend hours and write a motion brief worthy of a Supreme Court of the United States filing in case where my client only had a few thousand dollars at issue? I dare say that my client would be very upset (and rightly so) at a bill for many times that amount he stood to loose? While I could take great pride in the legal product, it would be out of proportion. Pride in workmanship and finished product is worthy, but so is a sense of proportion and understanding of the matter at hand. I will leave it to you to make the analogy to other pursuits and professions.
I'm looking for the simplest practical solution...
What about a large flag stone or whatever under the table legs.. You could always say they a part of the table!
Tools...
I understand that one...
OK guys, thanks for all the input ! I certainly didn't want to startup a fuss
over this - the chairs were not cheap and my intentions were
firstly for the guests to be comfortable but I overlooked the
problems which should have been obvious. Maybe I'll just have to scrap the idea
and get some chairs/table (don't think I have the shop setup,exeprience or time
to make the chairs and table) - will practice on other projects when I'm not under
stress.
OK guys, thanks for all the input ! I certainly didn't want to startup a fuss..
LOL we like a 'Fuss" What keeps us comming here..
henelol .. The main problem here
lol .. The main problem here is not table or arm height, it is figuring out how to make a good excuse for getting some new tools past your wife.
I found out (after many years) that I only had to ask my wife FIRST!... She put up with all of my nonsence for many years. I only had to ask her first... And then I/We had to pay the same price for gifts for HER children we had at the time...
EDIT: She never let anything slip by her; And I said I had a new idea and she said.... I am tired and want to go to our bed. I dropped everything....
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