Saw the other thread about Norm, reminded me — I watched his show for the first time in a long while, 2 weeks in a row. Are my eyes deceiving me, or does he have a Jet band saw? Definitely using a Steel City mortiser. Appears that they manage the cameras such that any non-Delta logos do not show, LOL!
forestgirl — you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can’t take the forest out of the girl 😉
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Your probably too young to remember ;-) But do you recall the Shopsmith? Big red dot over the Logo.
Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
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Hi, Bruce. I don't think I'm too young, it's more that I didn't know from woodworking at that age, LOL!
The current masking-of-the-logo approach invoves just a grey blur, methinks. I thought that was what I saw, briefly, in the first episode I watched 2 weeks ago. No problem with that, it makes total sense, and it's not hard to figure out what brand the tool is.
Personally, I was pleased to see the Steel City mortiser on his workbench.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Well, Delta does pay the bills and If I were them, I would frown on my dollars being used to promote a competators product. I bought a set of plans from Norms, website t hat were done a long time ago. The video showed makita tools, powermatic, & delta. None of the big equipment that he has now. It was very interesting. I'm glad he's done as well as he has. I wish I could make my living and someone else buy me nice new tools all the time. I have to admit though the season last year devoted to kitchen cabinets was a bummer.
If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.
And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
Wouldn't it be nice if someone would give you a nice collection of tools, throw all kinds of free wood your way, then pay you to build stuff? (I checked out his super duper double sander many months ago and it was valued at about the same money as my house--maybe a little more).
By the way, a good friend just shared an interesting story: Norm was offered a top of the line Woodmizer sawmill--free of charge! He said that he had to turn it down because a) he only has so much room in the shop, and b) it is enough of a challenge trying to display on camera all of the "toys" that pay the freight. Although Norm loves the Woodmizer, a mill in the shop would block too may of the sponsors' products.
I suspect that there are several manufacturers who would love to have their stuff displayed on NYW, but Norm would need a 200,000sf shop . . . like all of us would like to have. (Is there a cure for "Norm envy"?)
Don't know why he wouldn't have taken the Woodmizer mill! There is a garage behind the finishing room. But with his budget, why do the extra work plus build a solar kiln.Work Safe, Count to 10 when your done for the day !!
Bruce S.
I would think the primary problem with trying to feature the Woodmizer would be time. It's hard enough, I'm sure, to get the building steps of a project in that 30-minute time allotment. Seems, however, he could do one or two shows that featured the Woodmizer in a "mill our own" presentation.
I gues the other option would be to present everything in 2X tim and we could record it and playback in slow motion.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
All I know is the story I shared. The guy who told me about it actually taught Norm how to use a Woodmizer mill. He said, "You couldn't have slapped the smile off of Norm's face" as he milled an "urban log" in Cincinnati.
"I suspect that there are several manufacturers who would love to have their stuff displayed on NYW, but Norm would need a 200,000sf shop . . . like all of us would like to have." At that point, the advertising effect is quite diluted, LOL!
As for the 200,00sf shop, I'd get so lost! would need a map to find the exit (or the bathroom).
I don't watch him much these days, though with the new DVR, I can record and watch in the evening. What his program helped me with way back when was getting a feel for how things flowed at the beginning of a project, milling the stock, setting up tools, etc. I had no woodworking friends whom I could watch work, no childhood experience to draw upon. Now, it's mostly seeing what project he's tackling and watching if it's interesting.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Well if your local PBS is like mine they are getting to fancy (or political as the case may be) to show many of the old do it yourself stuff, and I find that it is very hard to keep track of when Norm is on any more. And of course the monthly beg fest just makes it even harder.
Doug M (and Ex PBS member)
Can't see how DIY shows could be political in nature, LOL. I would think that demand for a given type of show varies over the years and from one geographic area to another. Luckily, DIY is big stuff here in the Seattle area and there are plenty of artisans around to keep demand for Roy Underhill up too.
I greatly value both PBS and NPR. They provide programming and approaches that are completely missing from other networks.
One of the advantages to the new DVR is the ability to "find future airings of this program" and set up a series recording. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Yeah I use to value PBS (and to a less degree NPR) around here also but the direction that the local PBS has gone in the last few years I can not agree with. Add in that they are doing more and more funding drives and that the cost of what they are doing is getting more and more out of hand to the point that things have more then doubled in some cases. And that they are going more and more into the political stuff and the for lack of a better term, snobby stuff (and mind you I listen to classical music and such). So it seams to me that they are down playing the things that I am interested in. I had this same talk with someone from the station a year or two back when they asked my why I said I was no longer going to contribute, and he even admitted that they wanted to take the station in a more sophisticated direction. So I told him that they can do it with out my money thank you much and I have not been back to any of their events and I drooped my membership. Mind you this was at a PBS sponsored fund raising concert that cost over $150 per ticket, where I talked with the guy (classical music in fact). And I had 5th row center seats. So it was not like I did not contribute!
Doug M.
No sense in supporting something you don't like! They may regret their decision down the road, and come back around.
Our biggest personal challenge is being stretched thin by no less that four public radio stations that we do like, and two PBS stations. Two of the public radio stations are "minor" in how much time we listen to them, but still valued. To some extent, the TV stations duplicate each other. We divvy up the funds based on percentages, LOL.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Have you considered simply paying for satellite radio? I have had XM (now merged with the other provider) for a number of years. Love it. One of their channels is NPR.
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
The word "simply" and the word "paying" don't go together in our household these days, LOL. Besides, the local public radio stations need our $$s, whatever the vehicle that brings the sound to my ears.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
PerterDuran,Speeking of satalite and Radio we were all set to get satellite radio and then we came out of the dark ages and got on line. The computer came with a fantastic number of links to radio all over the world and so we have just been streaming.For the future let me leave two tips you may want to put in your callendars:Thanks giving KCSM jazz 91 The Bay Area's Jazz Station played the mellowest most wonderful play list of jazz I have ever heard. I wound up buying stuff from that play list and I have a huge collection of jazz but they had great stuff that night.and Big R radio (I think it was the "classic christmas" not "classical" sub heading ) played the best Christmas songs I could ever ask for ! Just incredibly good !How is satellite radio different or better than streaming ? I have never listened to satellite radio but love radio and listen a lot especially to interviews etc while I am working.roc
You don't have to be at the computer and it works in the car.
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
Roc, here's my understanding of satellite radio: It's a subscription service, somewhere around $12-$15/month, gives you a radio "stream" you can listen to on a digital radio which you can tune to their subscribed "channels" which correspond to various genre (e.g., blues, heavy metal, classic rock, talk radio). [ex. of run-on sentence, LOL] The signal stays with you as you drive through the countryside, so if I were driving from Seattle, over the Cascades, to Eastern Washington, I'd be able to continue listening to the same signal all the way, instead of hitting major dead spots, and having to find new stations on the other side of the mountains.
I think the original focus was mostly on car radios, but you can listen at home too. There were originally two companies doing this, but neither could make a profit, so one swallowed the other. Not sure where they're at financially now.
re: Christmas music. I got a last-minue request to put together music for the barn's big Christmas party this year. I had a few CDs from my retail business years, and went online to find some more. Was enchanted by the sound of the Hammered Dulcimer playing Christmas songs, downloaded quite a few.
Will keep your suggestions on file for next year!!
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
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We have satellite radio for just that reason. . .we love to drive on trips and when we leave Canada and go down to the States it's nice to be able to pick up CBC, if only to get a different slant on the news we would hear on over-the-air radio. It's really nice on long drives not to have to change the station every 30 or 40 miles! My subscription also allows me to listen at the office over my PC.Once you have it it's hard to imagine getting along without it.Ron
"It's really nice on long drives not to have to change the station every 30 or 40 miles! " Amen!
Canada......One of our PBS stations, KUOW, has a columnist, Vaughn Palmer, from the Vancouver Sun, on every week to talk about what's going on up in Canada. I really enjoy hearing about the various challenges, scandals and political shennanigans!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Oh, he IS good. He is the political columnist for the Vancouver Sun. He treats whatever party is in power (left or right) with the same respect. And damn embarrassing questions when appropriate. If a politician thinks he can waffle out of an answer we all read about it the next day on page 3. Cheers,Peter
Better life through Zoodles and poutine...
scandals and political shenanigans!
Tune in any Chicago radio news or talk channel. It gets so funny and sad I get sick listening to things our 'elected' do to us AND themselves. This includes the State of Illinois 'elected' we send to govern us. I have to say SOME NOT ALL! As usual, the 'good folks' that govern us are in the minority.
Our Governor is in deep hurt right now, as I think he should be. He replaced our Senator (You next President) with a what I would call a 'token'.. Barack Obama's replacement in the U.S. Senate is Roland Burris and appointed UNDER Illinois 'LAW' by the our Governor (bad as I think he MAY be but this has NOT been PROVEN in a Court yet). Our Senate refused to seat him.
Our Senate refused to seat him! I would say the Illinois 'LAW MAKERS' ARE 'LAW BREAKERS' and they all should be arrested for breaking the Law and have their day in a Court just as we common 'pee-on's' would have to do and probably go to jail for what we did!
I have to admit I know little about Mr. Roland Burris. I should know more I would think. My fault, but from what I have read he is a honorable man. He has been in politics a long time. I'd bet if he was 'a BAD' guy the political Vulchers would have run him out long ago!
I'd bet alot has to do with his race. He is a Black man. I'm white and I for one have no problems with anybody (not trying to kill me) of ANY color. I think it is time we get over the race thing and just be a friend if help is needed.
OK,, I vented,, Going back to my workshop where I feed the mice that come in...
>original focus was mostly on car radios, but you can listen at home tooThank you Forestgirl !You are in deed the goto person for computers/tech. in knots here : )signal stays with you to continue listening to the same signal all the way, eliminating major dead spots,
Roger that !>Hammered Dulcimer playing Christmas songs
Hey thanksthere is a custom dulcimer shop/instrument shop just a ways down the road from me here. They have been there a long time. If you ever get to Colorado check out The Dulcimer shop in a tiny beautiful mountain town called Manitou Springshttp://www.manitousprings.org/Shopping/gifts.htmhttp://www.dulcimer.net/ourdulcimers.htmhttp://www.dulcimer.net/index.htmIf you have big bucks ( win the lottery etc. ) The Broadmor hotel is a short pleasant drive from Manitouhttp://www.broadmoor.com/perhaps you are already familiar with it from your equestrian activities. Worth a visit if only for a stroll around the lake to watch the racoon families and swans; that's free.Manitou is in the foot of the pass in the mountains that you are looking at if you are able to open the Broadmoor link
I am not rich but I could not ask for a better place to live. I live half way between the Hotel and Manitou ! I can go for a run "across the street" in a big natural park called "The Garden Of The Gods" and it looks like it sounds. Yah . . . it's pretty rough. Very low wages here is the down side. Always a catch !Thanks
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"You are in deed the goto person for computers/tech." Nahhhhhh, I am but a submerged stepping stone to the real experts, Glaucon, et al.
Not familiar with Broadmoor, or any of CO really. Gorgeous!! What kinds of horse stuff goes on around there? Grand Prix jumping maybe? I'm just getting back ino the dressage world after an 18-year absence, so am way behind. Catching up steadily, and will be sitting in the stands at the Dressage World Cup in Las Vegas in April. Hope to score a couple of peeks at the jumping also.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
>What kinds of horse stuff goes on around here?Well I barely know which end of a horse to talk to and which end to be wary of but off hand :Pikes Peak or Bust RodeoI think they may still play some polo at the Broadmoor but not sure (used to be the case for sure ).There is a once a year Range Ride that is a pretty big deal.Colorado State Fair is forty five miles south
Horse racing
Maybe some jumping it has been a long time since I was there (walking distance from my parents old house growing up )
Barrel racing for sure
Rodeo
JudgingThe Air Force Academy is just north of here so maybe something going on there as well.The Cowboy Hall of Fame is here.(sorry not sure what dessage is)my best trick around horses is falling off shetland ponies.guess that is why I took up bicycles early on; they aren't smarter than I am : )PS: that is dumb; I tabbed this over some so it is easier to read by catagory. I posted it and the tabs went away so I got it back to put them in and they are still there in the edit. Sheeesh !Oh yah and there are pretty active old time reinactment groups here includinghttp://www.buffalosoldiers-amwest.org/history.htmthere is a fine short on PBS about them and maybe a long multi part that I have not seen. I could not quickly find the link for that sorry.Edited 1/10/2009 12:51 am by roc
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If you're gonna fall off, a Shetland's the best choice! So, rodeo stuff, eh? When it comes to rodeos, I have eyes only for the bulls and bull-riders. Love dem bulls! But bareback broncs are fun to watch too.
Dressage is an ancient art, means "training" in French (more or less) but was originally developed to produce horses for war -- doing fancy moves on the battlefield to evade and/or wound the enemy. Modern competitors don't do the "airs above the ground" such as the capriole below, but you can understand why you'd not want to be on the receiving end of such a move. I certainly can't imagine riding a horse while he's doing that!View Image from prweb.com
Much of the dressage stuff on the internet these days is pretty bogus -- money has almost ruined the discipline -- but the pendulum is swinging and things may get better over the next decade.
A good dressage horse, trained without modern shortcuts and moving properly, takes 6-10 years to condition and train to Grand Prix level. Only a small percentage of horses can perform well at that level. I ride one Schoolmaster who knows all that stuff, and one 10-year-old who will probably get there -- he's being retrained to be more fundamentally sound.
All very snooty-sounding but.... -- it's fun and very challenging, something new every day!
Here's me schooling just a few months after I got back in the saddle. Yes, he has a funny hair cut ("trace cut" done for winter). The black horse in 2nd pic is Contango of Iron Springs Farm, now-deceased sire of a horse I may get to work with this summer. A major Dressage sire. OK, I'll quit now, LOL!!
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forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
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> Dressage AirsForestgirl,I didn't realize a person could fly a horse like a kite ! Fairly short tail for a kite that big to. You must be an expert.Yep would not want some thing that big and heavy with huge pointy things on the front ( hooves ) coming down on me. That's for sure ! If they were quarter horse quick and smart it would be nearly impossible to evade their pounce. Scary stuff.>takes 6-10 years to condition and trainthats about how long it took me to learn to cut a dovetail> ContangoWow ! Thats one beautiful shot/horse ! Even I can see he is something special.thank you for enlightening me
roc
"Even I can see he is something special." Yes, that he is. I am honored to be on speaking terms (patting terms? ;-) with two of his sons, and they are very special too. Iron Springs Farm is one of the shining lights in the often dim world of USA breeders and have set a standard all should aspire to (but few can afford, LOL!)
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Just to put a ribbon on the whole horse thing, breezing down memory lane as it were, I had my own brush with exquisite genes when my first filly was born in 1987, named Voltana, grandsire was Volturno -- pictured below. German national champion eventing horse (a sport not for the weak of heart) and member of the German Silver Medal team in Kentucky in 1978. I was injured before she got old enough to start under saddle. She was huge, and had a presence that was breathtaking. Sold as a 3-year-old and haven't seen her but once since.
Thanks for motivating me to Google a bit, this is the first time I've found a picture of him! He died in 1988.
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OK, this is worse than cat-talk, time to go back to the shop!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
>I greatly value both PBS and NPR. They provide programming and approaches that are completely missing from other networks.Here Here ! You said it !roc
You need to see if you can get a woodworking club or shop to sponsor the woodworking shows you want to see.
Norm is usually one of my "Saturday morning cartoons." He has an interesting approach that is sometimes enlightening, sometimes infuriating, but usually entertaining. Most often, I drool over his toys and suggest to My Young Bride that this or that would be anice addition to my little shop.
Heartwould
Norm is my "Saturday morning cartoons" as well. If I get really lucky I get to catch some Roy Underhill/Woodwright Shop. However my 5 and 3 year old boys (with some assistance from SWMBO) scold me for watching "Daddy shows" and promptly turn it back to something more appropriate like SpongeBob.
Our local Saturday morning lineup goes: Norm, Roy, This Old House. Fortunately, My Young Bride indulges me unless some or all of our 8 grandchildren are with us. We don't have TiVo or a DVR, so I have to wait for reruns when the grandbabies "preempt" my cartoons.
Get another TV or set up so you can record the show.
Bart
Sad thing is we have three TVs, two with DVRs. I guess I should put my foot down as the fella paying the bills....;-)
I'll let you know how that goes. haha As I heard our president elect say regarding the BCS revamp, "I have to pick my battles..."
My Young Bride that this or that would be anice addition to my little shop..
You had the skills to 'get her'.. Now make her a woodworker! No problem after that except the budget!
My Young Bride does well in the kitchen, but is prone to burns and cuts and such. I'm not so sure how safe it would be to have her too close to power tools. She just keeps giving me "commissions" for more work . . .
Young Bride does well in the kitchen, but is prone to burns and cuts and such..
LOL LOL LOL..
My wife was the perfect Lady and could cook! .. And as you wife was VERY prone to burns and cuts and such.. Nobody could make Chicken soup as my wife could make it. My daughters (3) have tried to find her secrets but I keep telling them MOM cut herself and the blood got into the soup.
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As for the 200,00sf shop, I'd get so lost! would need a map to find the exit (or the bathroom). I always thought every lady could instantly find the bathroom even in the largest building in the world.Ha Ha Ha....How are you doing over there on the other island is it under water yet? Whetbey Is. is doing fine.
Hi, Bart, we're doin' good here! Seems you are often in line for the "big winds" if not the "big wet." The covered arena where I ride, however, has about 30% of the footing too wet to ride on. The snow melted off the roof so fast, it made a bit of a lake outside, and I think water just seeped in under the wall.
Our worst rain experience was during last year's big deluge (the one that drowned the Maple Valley woman in her own basement). There's a small pond at the edge of our property that was put there eons ago to catch run-off from points uphill, and funnel it into a tiny seasonal creek. It overflowed and took about 35% of our the new gravel from our driveway. At the same time, one house across the street and just down a bit, being at the bottom of 2 hills, ended up with water going through the livingroom.
I might get up to "Whetbey" in March for an Instructor's Clinic, depending on an alternate Bainbridge site being ready instead.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forest.. Hope you and your Horses are SAFE!
I always thought every lady could instantly find the bathroom even in the largest building in the world.. ONLY if she has one or more companions to go with her. As a male I never understood but women are able to find ANYTHING hidden!
>200,000sf shopDid you see what happened to Scott Phillips when he built his new, huge, dream shop a few years ago?It was so eccoy that he could not film a decent show in it and finally had to hang carpets and stuff on the wall to control the sound !I liked his small shop. Made a better show. Wouldn't mind working in his big shop. I could pull a Pullman train carhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Blue_coach_(B%26O_1890).jpghttp://www.doverharbor.com/into_the_lounge.htm into it to redo the interior and have plenty of room to keep working on those "small" projects like the kitchen cabinets and the high boy all at the same time !Wouldn't want to pay to heat it though.roc
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If you look closely at older shows, you'll see they just put tape over the logos.
Stef
Dose anyone remember season 1. The tools brand names were not covered. And I am in my mid 20s for age.
I also very much appreciated the Bob Vila era This Old House episodes where Vila would go over the budget vs. actual expenses with the homeowner. The projects in the more recent, amazingly elaborate episodes must be underwritten by Harpo, Inc.--and there is no mention of cost at all. At least Norm generally makes some reasonable stuff with his fine array of toys.
Jamie, I got to spend some time and chat with Norm when he filmed a show over in New Orleans last year. Great guy, just like you see on TV! He said that he is constantly receiving tools from many companies and that they never promise to use them on the show and they tell them they will cover up the brand names if they do. He says that some are very nice, and some are just junk that we never see. He seemed to be pretty up-front with the companies that the only benefit they might possibly receive is someone recognizing the tool in use. He said that because most of his work is for PBS they are very restricted on doing product promotions and have to be very careful.
Woody
Speaking of Norm, I wish Norm would provide cost of materials for a project and the approximate time required to make and finish. several years ago a client came over with plans he purchased from Norm for a Greek revivial bookcase and several days later I gave him a quote and he was shocked with the price and asked how many hours I would have in it and I told him about 20 and he laughed and said Norm did it in a 1/2 hour. This is the honest truth. He said he watched him make it on tv in one 1/2 hour & thought my time estimate was out of the ballpark. LOL. Needless to say I never got the job.
That's very funny! Apparently, you need Russ Morash to come and edit your woodworking!! LOL Tom"Notice that at no time do my fingers leave my hand"
With the commercials and safety tips, Norm can go from forest to finished product in about 20 minutes, except for the occasional project that takes two episodes. Gosh, how nice would it be for us to just edit our work instead of having to refinish or start over?
Sorry to jump in, but what a laugh. Ever since they came up the "Dream Home in one Week" to help some familyon HGTV it has been impossible with homeowners and schedules. I tell them 90 days to do a pool/backyard and they look at me like I am crazy! Instant Gratification in America today.
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The TV shows where houses seem to spring up overnight are incredible, aren't they? My speeds are: slow, slower and ponder. When I am in ponder mode, nothing happens except maybe a little couchercise. The folks who want it the day before they first talked to you are numerous and growing in number by the moment.
The TV shows where houses seem to spring up overnight are incredible, aren't they?
Yeah, but it's reality right? DOH!
I like Designed to Sell where they spend less than $2,000 and add $40,000 to the value of the house. But the acting is the best!
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
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