Hi Everyone,
Got a Carriage Makers plane that I’m in the process of restoring to a user. I took it completely apart and noticed that the blade has very little to work with in terms of the cutting edge, 1/8″ max as a rough guess.
Is this normal for the blade?
I’ll post some pics of same tomorrow.
Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Replies
No, it's not the norm. LN offers a great Stanley 10 replacement blade.
Thanks Samson,
Sharpening/honing it should be fun, not much room to work with. Based on the geometry of the blade I'm curious as to its operation. Have to do some research.
Here's a pic of the blade. Sorry 'bout the fuzzies.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
The blade has just been sharpened too many times and is ready to be retired.
John W.
Thanks John,
That was my suspicion as well. I googled a pic of one and the #10 and it looks like the side edges (if you will) are about ¾" long whereas mine are only about 1/8". Thinking that the one I have was right I couldn't imagine cutting rabbets with it.
I think I'll get a Lie Neilsen replacement for it.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
I've seen that blade before. Evidently it's some sort of patent or something that allows an ease of sharpening. I believe I saw it on ebay...did pretty well as I recall(money-wise I mean).
-Ryan C.
Bob
What you have there is a collectors item. It's a blade that actually worked itself to death. Get a replacement from LN, and tip a cold one to the original. It worked hard.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff,
I will now explore recycling possibilities. Any thoughts? Scratch stock comes to mind. Possibly a different form of scraper?
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Wrap it in oilcloth and keep it for when you want to sell the plane. Thhat way you have both a working tool and a 'collectable'
Dave
Bob
In my 43 years, I've never worn out a plane iron (or any other iron, for that matter).
I like Patto's idea about keeping it in case you sell the plane. The collector's won't care that it has 1/8" left, as long as it's there.
Jeff
I will do as Patto suggests, get a LN replacement blade and use the plane.
While cleaning up the plane, I found that one side just in front of the frog has been repaired. I'm almost embarrased to explain that whoever did the repair installed a plate on the inside bridging the crack and attached it with what appear to be rivets.
In my neanderthalic pursuits I have found a retired millwrite with a great deal of knowledge who wants to repair it for me. He suggested that we remove the plate and rivets and he will braze the crack.
He will also do the same for a #5 that I posted about in another discussion several months ago, excerpts of which I have given to him as to suggested repair techniques.
He has already ground the sole of a #7 for me that came out spectacular, perfectly flat.
At this point my herd is growing quite rapidly. #2, #3, 2 #4's, 2 #5's and 2#7's as well as #45, #48, 2 #78's, #98, #99 along with several spokeshaves, drawknives and another one that has the dimensions of a #7 - manufacturer unknown. Oh yes, and a SWEET Millers Falls #9, 3 woodies and 6 molding planes.
The cold winter months have actually been kind in that I have all these beasts in user form. And we have a 40' horse trailer to dig into this weekend. Maybe a #1 lurks within?!
At this time I can't begin to express my appreciation for all the help, and especially the inspiration that all you folks have provided me.
My Heartfelt Regards,
Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Edited 3/29/2007 9:26 am ET by KiddervilleAcres
Bob
Brazing cast iron correctly is an almost lost art form. I knew a few old timers, my father-in-law was one of them, who could do a superb job. Unfortunately, most of them have passed on. Most guys who have their own fabrication shops that are good at what they do are so busy they don't want to even futz with this stuff.
If he does a nice job, let us know. We could all probably keep him busy for the next ten years!! ha ha ha...
I seriously envy you when you speak of the 40 foot trailer loaded with goodies. I don't know how you have the will power to keep from emptying it in one day. I would!! I wish I was there when you go trick er' treatin' in that tool trailer!
Good luck, and enjoy the planes.
I just sold my entire set of Bedrock's on ebay. I use my LN's now, and they were just collecting dust. It wasn't easy, as they were all perfectly tuned, and I made a lot of furniture with them. Amazing how attached you get to tools after 10 or 15 years. Richard is probably laughing his #### off as he reads this....I did make enough money to buy several new LN additions to the toolbox, though.
Jeff
Jeff,
The guy I'm talking about is semi-retired and he learned the process from his Dad. I've seen some of his work and you can't even see where the most of the repairs on these pieces were made. On one he showed me, he asked me to find the repair(s). I found one, and that was basically a guess. I didn't find the other two!
I had a earlier post about a cracked #5 several months ago and several respondents recommended the same brazing process. I copy/pasted their responses into an email to my friend and he confirmed the process as the same as he was taught, so I am quite confident.
I would further venture to guess that the existing repair rendered the #10 to life as a user, not a collector. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
As for the trailer cache, I can't wait! I'm told there are two old sea chests filled with turning toold that are somewhere in the vicinity of 75 years old! Along with more planes, stationary tooll, etc. This adventure will be happening very soon and will let all know about the results. We have also toyed with the idea of selling what we don't want here in the Classifieds on Knots.
Stay tuned!
Bedrocks! And you didn't get in touch with me. Wow, they name streets after people like you! :-) :-) Just kidding. Maybe after our sale I will be able to afford some LN's to add to the herd!
Best Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Bob
Can't really tell you what collector's like, as I'm a user, but I would imagine that they don't want anything that has a visible (or invisible) repair. Besides, they'll just set it up on a shelf somewhere and stare at it like some conversation piece while drinking wine and eating cheese and crackers........ughhhh!!!!!!!!!! The mere thought makes me want to run outside and vomit.
Carriage maker's planes come in quite handy. Get it tuned, and it'll work for another 100 years or so.
Keep us posted on the goodie's!
Jeff
Theres a guy on e-bay that has had replacement blades for this plane I think they are from England. Anyway looked like nice blades and the price was good.
Troy
Troy,
I use eBay only as pricing resource. Heard too many horror stories about getting ripped off. This is inno way a condemnation of eBay. Besides, in this case I want to try out the LN replacement blades that I've heard nothing but good things about.
I'm new but making headway down the slippery slope and as part of the educational process, getting the LN blade will allow me to compare it to EOM blades.
I'm also letting my hair grow long and haven't shaved for 6 months. I do take showers on a regular basis though, at least once a month whether I need it or not! :-) :-)
I do appreciate your input.
Thanks,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Good luck with the # 10, I am sure the LN blade will be great for this plane. As far as e-bay goes I have had only one bad experiance as a seller. And none as a buyer but there is always a first time.Troy
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