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   WillGeorge | Oct 29, 2005 09:20pm | #1

   DUKE.. I think my glasses broke? Well, at least on three Pictures...

   
   

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   Edited 10/29/2005 2:21 pm by WillGeorge

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   dukeone | Oct 30, 2005 03:07am | #2

   Will: New camera, I'll try to get clearer pictures. DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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   Pondfish | Oct 30, 2005 04:50pm | #6

   See if your camera has a MACRO setting,  This is useful for taking closeups.Recommending the use of "Hide Signatures" option under "My Preferences" since 2005

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   dukeone | Oct 30, 2005 04:59pm | #7

   Will doKenneth Duke Masters
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   philip | Oct 30, 2005 11:54am | #3

   Things are a bit blurry at this stage, Ken, must have been the coffee...just one question pending your re-read of the camera instruction manual: what is the significance of that DRILL PRESS I see there?

   Philip Marcou
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   dukeone | Oct 30, 2005 03:51pm | #5

   Philip: I was just playing with the camera, didn't mean to post that one. DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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   dukeone | Oct 31, 2005 02:17am | #8

   All: Here are more, hopefully clear, pictures. I have already started removeing the offending area on the stiles. It won't look great but will work. Still I would like to figure out what went wrong for next time. I have the mortise on the stile and the tenons on the rails, is that part of the problem, do you think? Gezze this was going to be the first project I posted but maybe the next one. Thanks, DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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   jrpow | Nov 11, 2005 05:45pm | #9

   I say try having a break from woodwork and try a short photography coarse.lol

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   dukeone | Nov 11, 2005 06:04pm | #10

   JR: Ya, new camera tried a few things but ? Project is also on hold for couple dozen other things around the house. DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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   charlesm | Nov 11, 2005 07:04pm | #11

   Duke,Sorry I missed this thread before. The problem is that the tenon is not intended to be haunched. The design is for the tenon to be the full width of the rail and the mortise to be a slot in the end of the stile. The best way I can think to use what you have is to create a mortise in the edge of the stile in the offending area the same thickness as your tenon, as wide as the rail and deep enough to allow the rail to seat.Charles MFreud America, Inc.

   Edited 11/11/2005 11:44 am ET by CharlesM

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   dukeone | Nov 12, 2005 05:38pm | #13

   Charles: Do you mean that the place where the rail and stile meet should be just flat surfaces other than the m&t? The booklet that came with the bits seamed to show ''coping'' the area under the tenon as in my picture #29 above.

   Thanks, Duke

   Kenneth Duke MastersThe Bill of Rights December 15 1791NRA Endowment MemberLEAA Life MemberCRPA Member

   Edited 11/12/2005 9:41 am ET by dukeone

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   charlesm | Nov 13, 2005 12:42am | #14

   The areas below and above the tenon appear correct. The problem is the area on either side of the tenon. Typically, the tenon is the full width of the rail instead of being haunched. This leaves the tenon visible when you look at the end of the joint and the mortise is not a pocket for the tenon to fit into but rather is a slot. I have attempted to show the concept on the picture Typical and a possible way to save what you have done in the image Repair. HTH.
   Charles M

   Freud America, Inc.

   
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   dukeone | Nov 13, 2005 05:37am | #15

   Thanks Charles, I believe I'll be able to save the stock that is already profiled by a bit of trimming as you suggested. DukeKenneth Duke Masters
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   TimLoupe | Nov 12, 2005 05:13pm | #12

   Duke,

   If you look at a typical stick and cope joint you will notice the bit deals with the total thickness of the material. I think your tenon is a good idea but you have to get the extra material out of the way that the bit does'nt deal with. Sort of a rabbited , tenoned stick and cope.

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   TomT226 | Oct 30, 2005 02:08pm | #4

   Near as I can make out, it looks like you're tennoning the sticking.  You might want to try just making coped pieces, cutting deeper mortises in the stiles, tennoning the rails, and cutting 45 degree returns on both pieces.  Cut a piece of sticking wider than your pieces, cut a true 45 on one end, clamp them together, put'em in the vise, and use that and a sharp chisel to cut the miters on both.  you will just be cutting the profile away. 

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