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   Crunk | Jul 08, 2003 01:09am | #1

   Penofin.

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   RdrgzDesigns | Jul 08, 2003 05:46am | #2

   You are a man of few words! Penofin is suitable for outdoor use then?

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   MarkRoderick | Jul 09, 2003 07:31pm | #6

   I was recently turned on to Penofin myself through this message board. After looking into it, I have found that it is the perfect outdoor finish. It's not for boats where it will be underwater all the time, but for outdoor furniture it's ideal.

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   RdrgzDesign | Jul 10, 2003 12:25am | #7

   Hi -

   The client for this table originally requested teak (12/4) as the preferred wood. Then I told them how much it was going to cost them! After they got up off the floor, they decided mahogany was a better choice. But now they are unhappy with me because it is changing due to exposure! What can I tell them?!? I'm going to look into PenoFin. I also might try to look into a marine-type teak oil (Semco teak oil http://www.shipstore.com/SS/HTML/SEM/SEM10324.html) that supposedly needs to be re-applied only once a year. Anybody have any experience with this product? Thanks again for your wisdom. Keep it coming.

   Additonally, I've checked out this sites various references to PenoFin AND mahogany. Seems I'm not alone.

   Did I make a mistake by using this rub-in technique for this table? Did I defeat the whole film-forming point of spar varnish by rubbing it in? (See message #1)

   -R.

   Edited 7/9/2003 5:44:53 PM ET by RodriguezDesigns

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   sailalex | Jul 10, 2003 02:39pm | #8

   What is Penofin? I can't find a reference in any of the catalogs that I have. Again, the bleaching is coming from the UV rays from the sun, so unless the finish blocks those rays (like paint) it will bleach.(Of course, you lose the advantage of the wood's beauty with a non-transparent finish.) I don't think an oil finish, since it is transparent, will do any better than the varnish.

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   RdrgzDesign | Jul 11, 2003 12:05am | #9

   Hi -

   I'm just finding out myself from this forum. You can do a search in this finishing forum for references to PenoFin. You can also go to http://www.penofin.com/ I'm going there now. See ya.

   -R.

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   sailalex | Jul 08, 2003 02:16pm | #3

   I have mahogany on a sailboat and it has bleached blonde despite the use of a high grade marine varnish with excellent UV protection. I don't think any transparent finish will keep the wood from bleaching out, if that is what you mean by the wood not holding up well outside.

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   DavidP52 | Jul 09, 2003 02:55am | #4

   That's why nearly alll wood boat builders used a mahogany filler stain that doesn't bleach out. No finish is weather resistant unless all six sides of the wood are sealed. If water gets into the wood, the finish will fail.

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   sailalex | Jul 09, 2003 03:08pm | #5

   <<No finish is weather resistant unless all six sides of the wood are sealed. If water gets into the wood, the finish will fail.>> I am not familiar with the sealer but the wood throughout is (and has been)covered with varnish and there is no water getting into the wood. The guy that built this boat is a Maine long time boat builder and he said that this is a characteristic of Mahogany and each piece will react differently; in other words, some pieces will stay relatively dark and others will bleach out almost blonde. I guess this is an advantage of using teak on boats which is by far the most popular wood for marine applications.