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In the market for a table saw and a dust collector. They have to be 115 volts . I am looking at the Jet 708436k table saw and the Jet dc-650 dust collector. Anyone got any reasons not to go with these machines. I am just getting my shop started so any advice would be really helpfull. Also has anybody had problems with the delta 50-850 dust collector like tripping 20 amp breakers, I am considering this dust collector as well. One more question which is quieter ?
Richie
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I have the Jet DC-60 dust collector, usually plugged into the dust port on my Jet JTS-10 contractor's saw. I don't know why they bother having a dust collection port on contractor's saws, since the open back negates any real vacuum pressure to pull out the sawdust. I've seen plans in FWW for building a plywood backer plate with cut-outs for the motor and pulley, have yet to try it. If you want good dust collection at the saw, get a cabinet saw. I also use the dust collector on my Jet 6" jointer and Delta 12.5" planer. It does a good job on the jointer, but I still have to sweep out some chips that don't get sucked up in the planer. I think this has more to do with the dust hood design on the planer than a lack of power in the dust collecter. Still, it is sucking up 99% of the shavings. I am looking into getting an aftermarket bag set for the collector, as I still get a fair amount of fine dust migrating out of the OEM bags as exhaust. I think this machine can handle one or two machines, but if you really want a ducted dust collection system, you should get something more powerful.
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Thanks for the info.I am actually looking at the Jet 10" cabinet saw 115 volts. So I think I should be ok with the dust . How noisey is the Jet dust collector ???. I dont want to upset my neighbours!!!
Richie
It's really not too loud, but combined with the noise produced by whatever you have it hooked up to, you definitely know it's running. I can't imagine a neighbor being bugged by it. It's much quieter than a typical shop vacuum, or even an indoor carpet vacuum. I think that's because it is moving a large volume of air at medium velocity, rather than a small volume of air at high velocity. I was just looking at the Jet cabinet saw yesterday at a woodworker's warehouse. I go in and drool over it occasionally. It really is a nice machine. My only beef with my contractor's saw is a lack of power when ripping thick oak stock. You won't have that problem!
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Thanks again. I cant seem to find any tool store around here {san francisco} that stocks Jet tools . It would be nice to see them first. Anyway thanks again for the info.
Richie
When you get around to buying, try Tool Crib through Amazon.com. They have free shipping over $199.00, and you won't pay state sales tax, which adds up to a lot for a cabinet saw.
Rich, jump in your car and head on up to Santa Rosa. Post tools on Piner Road has Jet Tools. There is also a Woodcraft up here in the same general area. Piner Road is just off the 101 freeway.Steve - in Northern California
Noise= motor/fan blade speed+ air velocity. Blade shape plays a roll as well. just compare your carpet vac. with a box fan. Volume and velocity have to do with transporting material. (Air hose and box fan). For what its worth, I use an old squirrel cage fan out of a house forced air unit. It sits outside. The saw inside. The pipe goes through a low velocity chamber(large plactic drum) that allows larger particles to drop out, the fines go on to the blower and into the lawn. Very efective and very low noise. This way, I had more $ for my Powermatic 66 which I highly recomend. Like I said, for what its worth.
Mr. Dad,
can you give a little more detail on this and how you set it up? And does anyone else have an opinion on blowing these finer particles out onto the lawn - any safety issues w/ people walking by inhaling the stuff?
I simply use the squrrial cage as an air pump. In some units the motor is external to the actual fan.(that would be best) My unit has the motor in the fan so I can only use the half where the motor isn't. (fines in the motor may = fire) I connect the vacumn side of the fan to what ever I want to collect saw dust from. As the "load" enters a large area like a plastic 55gal. drum, the air velocity drops allowing the larger particles to drop out of the air stream. Only the finer and lighter stuff is carried in the airstream to the fan itself. I exaust it into the grass where the grass acts as a trap. One could attach a pair of old panty hose, or some other filter to the exaust side of the fan in order to capture the fines. Unless its a real windy day, the dust won't go far until it drops out. I can't immagine much of a "safety " issue involved to people walking by, unless they happen to walk up to and stand in front of the discharge and look into the fan. Mine is in the back yard. Good luck and happy engineering. By the way, I also use a fan/filter section from an old A.C. unit to clean the air in the shop. Very little noise, lots of air movement and beats the dickens out of the ones that cost $100 or more. Mine was free for the hauling off.
With shop dust collection in mind, I collected a 3 hp electric motor & bought a surplus heavy duty squirrel cage blower. If a forced air funace unit does the trick for you maybe this stuff would be a bit of overkill. Do you only use it on your saw? Would it have sufficient air velocity to keep planer chips moving?
One reason I haven't started to experiment with my blower is that I am short of room in my basement shop. Your method of placing the whole thing outside sounds good, but I don't know how well it would work for me. We have pretty variable winter weather - from very humid to very cold (-40). I could wind up with a solid mass of frozen sawdust if my bin was outside. I also don't like the idea of the expense of pumping large volumes of heated air outside.
Frozen sawdust. I don't think that would be much of a problem in as much as wood chips especially with a little moisture will generate it's own heat and insulation to keep the heat in. I used to live in Vermont. Didn,t have a problem. You could paint the barrel black and set it in the sun.
Large amounts of heated air. Now that would be a problem. You might hook a return back into the shop through a filter. If needed you could put a booster fan in series after the filter, to help draw the air back into your shop. (I would use the term "suck" instead of draw but that would be misleading since in nature there is no such thing as "suck", only "blow". From high pressure to low.)
Transport planer chips? I havent tried that yet. I see no reason why it wouldn't work even with my little rig.
Have built the cyclone Vac featured in Wood and attached to a contractor saw with a back plate designed and installed. Works well for my purposes.
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