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   Tinkerer3 | Apr 12, 2010 10:16pm | #1

   "I have nothing against end

   "I have nothing against end vises, but 'd rather have my end vise any day."  This statement seems to need a little fixing. 

   I have the twin screw Veritis.  The racking is minimal and it has about all the advantages of the tail vise.  Can you enlighten me on the shoulder vise?  Thank you

   Paul

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   lwilliams | Apr 12, 2010 10:42pm | #2

   I don't understand the attraction of end vises. When holding a piece for planing between the dogs, you don't want much pressure because too much will distort the wood. Gentle is the key for this. The faces of the tail vise are incredibly useful and allow all kinds of work that's difficult with a shoulder vise or a normal bench vise. As Samson mentioned, the ability to hold work close to the edge of the bench is pretty critical for all kinds of things. I suppose if I made a lot of small round table tops I might see some use for an end vise but I've never made a small round table top and wouldn't have a problem making a plywood auxiliary bench top if I ever decided to make one.

   edited to properly attribute Samson's comment

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   flairwoodworks | Apr 13, 2010 12:06am | #4

   Two is better than one?

   "I suppose if I made a lot of small round table tops I might see some use for an end vise" 

   I've seen a bench with two tail vises - both at the same end, one at the front, one at the right.  That would work.

   For what it's worth, I've never seen a quick-release tail vise.  If I had my way, I'd have a Tucker at each corner of my vise.  Well, maybe not.

    

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   Jammersix | Apr 12, 2010 11:17pm | #3

   Passed buh-BYE!

   I passed you guys going the other direction.

   I had a bench with a tail vise for ten years, and am putting the finishing touches on a new bench that has a full width end vise.

   I have some tail vise hardware for sale, cheap, it's been replaced by a second Record 10-1/2. (Although I guess the new one is actually an Anant.)

   The difference between the two styles of vise, in MY shop, is that I know I'll use the Record.

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   roc | Apr 13, 2010 12:16am | #5

   Trust Klausz and get on with woodworking

    I wanted to make a lot of dove tailed drawers.  The Klausz bench is the way to go there !     Quicker to grip a drawer or a component.  Don't have to feed it down from the top ( or up from underneath ) into a closed slot; can just put it between the jaws quick and remove it quick.  Large back stop/square corners hold the part better; doesn't spin between two long jaws and or run into an exposed steel treaded rod.

   It sounds too simple but if Klausz says this is the best for hand tool cabinet making that is good enough for me.  Just trust him and get on with woodworking.  I am not saying trust me, I am no-body, but he is a third generation cabinet maker who has no reason not to have the best that the last thousand years of research and cabinet making tradition has to offer.

   I wish I could find some of the old posts here about all this.  I wasted a lot of time looking.  The search thing here is just so "great".  I am at a loss for words to describe it.  Well words that I won't get censored for any way.

   
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   AZMO | Apr 13, 2010 12:18am | #6

   I am know body.... Was that intentional Roc? You and Sampson, such clean and purty benches.  Envious I am ... Morgan

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   roc | Apr 13, 2010 12:57am | #8

   just a momentary gasp for air and fuel in the spell checker

   Nah, not intentional.  You no me.  Can't spell for beans.  Too lazy.  That was just a momentary gasp for air and fuel in my industrial, heavy duty cycle, water cooled, mind reading spell checker.  It can't keep up sometimes and overheats.

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   roc | Apr 13, 2010 12:50am | #7

   There is some other kind of work going on I don't know about

   . . . I guess. . .  but I was soo proud of my record until I started to make stuff with it.  Grip on one little side of all those rods in the way (two rods and a screw ) just where I want to put the wood so it dangles off one side.  Then it pivots between the jaws 'cause they are racked so I overhaul it and put the spacer screw on one side.  Oh boy another rod in the way !

   Notice the record on the right side in the first photo; on the junk pile.  I haul it out occasionally for old times sake.  Can't remember when last that was.  Mostly I like to look at it.  I hate using it though.

   I made my Klausz bench with it.  That was enough to do me.

   
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   Jammersix | Apr 13, 2010 01:24am | #9

   I'll dispose of that junk for you. In fact, I'll pay shipping.

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   roc | Apr 13, 2010 02:11am | #10

   Like an MG TC auto wouldn't want to drive it everyday but . . .

   Ah well I did consider your offer for a bit there but I do like to look at it.

   :   )

   and I still use it for metal working when the fit comes over me.  Clamp it and that big hunk of wood it is bolted to onto that welding table and away I go.  Blasphemy I know.  Throw some aluminum jaws in it and it is handy for some quick sawing and drilling.  I don't do much hammer and chisel work on the metal.

   Has anyone noticed that one can cut and paste in the middle of the subject field above and not have it jump to the left end of the line of text? AND THEY SAID IT COULDN'T BE DONE HERE.