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   HowardAcheson | May 16, 2004 04:39pm | #1

   >>A waterproof glue that works like a yellow alaphatic glue would be a boon.

   Just curious, but why?

   "Waterproof" means an adhesive meets the ANSI Type I specification which means the adhesive is suitable for use in completely submerged applications and meets a temperature test of boiling water. For normal outdoor applications, a Type II adhesive is more than adequate.

   With the cost of the new adhesive, I think it only has a very limited application.

   It's also curious that the adhesive carries the label of Titebond III when it's an adhesive that meets the Type I ANSI spec. Could this be their marketing department at work?

   
   

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   Edited 5/16/2004 9:41 am ET by Howie

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   Telemike | May 17, 2004 04:41am | #5

   Why a yellow glue that is water proof also?

   Because yellow glues are easy to use and give strong joints if wood is machined well. I'm not looking to use it for submerged applications - I'm thinking more like chairs, tables, birdhouses, and general outdoor construction a little better than 2X4s and deck screws.

   The alternatives:

   1. Epoxy: I use wests for boats. But, for stuff that will get wet in the winter and bone dry in the summer, epoxy is too stiff. The wood can actually fail along the glue joint because the epoxy soaked wood resists expanding with moisture.

   2. Urethane: Ok for some use, but it makes a mess and sometimes fails without a visible cause. See posts about urethanes.

   3. Construction adhesive: Liquid nails skins over instantly and doesn't bond where the skin ends up against the wood.

   4. Urea/formaldehyde: I recently was gifted with adult onset asthma.

   Asthma + formaldehyde = ER visit

   Are there some other really good outdoor adhesives I'm missing? We could use some!

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   AlbionWood | May 17, 2004 06:50pm | #7

   2. Urethane: Ok for some use, but it makes a mess and sometimes fails without a visible cause.

   I must have missed that... Can you be more specific, or direct me to the post where this was discussed?  The mess doesn't bother me (I think it's easier to clean up than PVA), but failing without cause would be catastrophic.  If this really happens then I need to stop using it immediately!

   Are there some other really good outdoor adhesives I'm missing?

   Well, you didn't list Titebond II, which pretty much meets all your criteria.  Your furniture isn't going to be continuously submerged, so why pay extra for that?  "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."  A. Einstein

   http://www.albionworks.net

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   HowardAcheson | May 17, 2004 06:53pm | #8

   >>I'm thinking more like chairs, tables, birdhouses, and general outdoor construction a little better than 2X4s and deck screws.

   The above is exactly the ANSI Type II spec. No need for a Type I adhesive for those applications.

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   jhausch | May 18, 2004 04:23am | #9

   Hey, maybe he's just a "belt and suspenders" king of guy?Steelkilt Lives!

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   CharlieD | May 16, 2004 07:07pm | #2

   Also, on the bottle, it clearly states that the product is not for submerged applications. I don't really get it, and haven't been willing to spend twice as much for it. I have also been a little worried about creep; no one has addressed that question yet, as far as I've seen.

   Charlie

   I tell you, we are here to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. --K Vonnegut
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   HowardAcheson | May 17, 2004 04:29am | #4

   >>on the bottle, it clearly states that the product is not for submerged applications.

   If that's the case, then it does NOT meet the ANSI Type I spec and should not be labeled as "waterproof". Rather, it should be labeled "water resistant" just like their Type II Titebond II.

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   GHR | May 17, 2004 05:18pm | #6

   The glue does meet Type I specs. The "not for submerged applications" is simply a statement that reduces liability.

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   GHR | May 17, 2004 02:45am | #3

   I used it. I does what they say.

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   Yotie | May 18, 2004 05:41pm | #10

   I asked the question regarding glues for cutting boards some time back and there were several who suggested TBIII.  I used it, and will have to wait and see.

   Don