Hi,
I am from South Africa and new to Knots. We do not have any woodworking magazines. Get my Finwoodworking from the local News Agency- enjoy it very much. Doing woodworking in the north of the country. Mainly doing kitchen cabinets-frameless.When i have time i enjoy making furniture. I am attaching a TV cabinet i made for a client. It is done in Kiaat wich is cut in Zambia. It works very easy and close to Walnut. The other woods i work with is Rosewood-also cut in Zambia. My next project is a hall stand with 2 drawersin Rosewood .
God Bless
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That's worth everyone getting a look at it. But with a file that size, many won't be able to.
I've attached a resized photo.
Thanks for resising and the comment. I am not good when it comes to computers . If you can advise me on how to resise.
God Bless
Nollie,
I tried to Reply with this a while ago but the file was 6 meg. (waayyy too big) so here it is, a lot smaller this time. Use Adobe Acrobat reader to look at it.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Hi, Thanks for responding. I found a faster way - Microsoft Office Picture Manager. Were the 6meg file came from, i would not know.The origenal was round 1.3meg.The one attached now is a lot smaller.
Very nice Nollie, I love the grain on the wood.
Jack
TV cabinet in Kiaat.. When I saw your post I thought it was a Country.. I looked on Google and.. No hits!
I was wondering.. In South Africa how could their be a North? But then again just funnin you a bit..
Beautiful work.. But then again the right door is a bit higher than the Left or is it the Left door is a bit lower than the Right one.. Not sure..
OK, so I'm me and can live with that.. Beautiful work just the same! I would have made the doors the same height and somebody in here would post it is not an authentic style!
I would have made the doors the same height
You're a jerk. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. It's a beautifl cabinet."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
You're a jerk. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. It's a beautifl cabinet.OK so I am.. No hate intended.. It was ment as light harted comment..Maybe I forgot to post is was great work.. Lighten up...
I appreciate lighthearted comments, sometimes even sarcasm. Unfortuantely it's hard to tell on the web sometimes what the intent is. In your case, twice in the same posting you made derogatory comments about the doors. "Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
twice in the same posting ...I looked at my post and I typed.. I would have made the doors the same height and somebody in here would post it is not an authentic style!..Can't give a good explanation as to why I typed that at the time. Stupidity?
Age?"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
"...If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. It's a beautifl cabinet."
I don't follow your reasoning Eddie. WillGeorge noticed an obvious flaw and mentioned it in his critique. It is an attractive cabinet, but the small flaw is there for all to see.
Now I grant that the cabinet sits on what might be uneven ground that's causing racking and the misalignment. On the other hand it could be the doors aren't set in the opening correctly.
Either way if I delivered a cabinet to one of my paying customers with that flaw I wouldn't be surprised if they objected to it, and even refused to pay until a correction was made.
In other words my professional integrity demands that I notice such errors, find the cause of the problem and fix it before I deliver and install the piece. Part of being the professional I am is analysis and self criticism of my work and making sure it meets the quality levels I and my customers expect.
There's nothing wrong with honest, rational and reasoned criticism given without malice as I suspect will George did. Nollie, who introduced himself as a woodworker that makes and installs kitchens will take it on the chin-- by that definition he's a professional. I think it's a bit mean on your part to simply call WillGeorge a "jerk" and follow that up with an uncritical, unreasoned and unsubstantiated opinion that the work is "beautifl". Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
I think we're all reading more into this than was presented in the op. And I'm the first guilty party. Richard, I didn't take this to be a professional cabinet, but rather something he did for his own house. Might even be one of his first pieces, and he's proudly showing it off. Been there, done that. That an showing us Yanks a different (to us) wood. I gues what hit me wrong about George's comment was that he seemed to dwell a bit long on the door issue. And I overeacted. My apologizies to all."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Thanks for the defence.. BUT I deserved it!Somehow I tried to say what I wanted to about the doors and messed it up as I usually do!I have no hate.. Me is just me.. And not very good at it...Eddie had his comment and I think he was right.. I tend to type as I think.. Not how I should respond to please others..I love ya both! OK so no kissing allowed!
I think it’s an optical delusion anyway.
Jack
and I think he was right
Now don't go talking like that, my head my swell up. Seriously, I'm glad you took my comments better than I tyoed them. I probably came across a bit strong."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Hi, I must say that i did adjust the door before i delivered the cabinet to the client. I took the photo at that stage because the camera was at hand. Sorry for all the trouble i caused. The other purpose of the photo was to introduce Kiaat to you people. It is an Africa only wood.
Africa Greetings
I'm pleased you adjusted the door before delivery. It was of course the right thing to do. You didn't cause a problem and welcome to the forum. Slainte.Richard Jones Furniture
Thanks for posting your photo and introducing us to kiaat. I've only seen sample pieces of the wood before as we don't have a tradition of using it, although there are now some suppliers listing it in the US.
Nollie,
Welcome . How are stocks of Koeksisters, Biltong and Dreiwors at this stage?
I think that if FastEddie had been around for long he would know that Will George was not being unpleasant, so moenieworrynie.
I would like to add some facts about Kiaat, which I would say is technically one of the best timbers in the world.
Its botanical name is Pterocarpus Angolensis and virtually the same tree grows in Asia where is is known as Pterocarpus Indicus, commonly called Papua New Guinea Rosewood or Narra-the burr is AMBOYNA...
Kiaat is also known as Muninga or Mukwa in the trade and the redder stuff is often called Bloodwood.The sapwood is whitish and some folk seem to like the contrasting colour but to me it is taboo because it is what the borers eat.
I would say that there are three types of Kiaat, depending on where it comes from, with colours ranging from a pale brown to the red brown stuff.Mozambique has plenty which is being cut and exported to people who actually believe that it comes from "managed, renewable and sustained woodlots" there- there was an article in FWW with those words some years ago. A certain ex Selous Scout officer is one of the entrepreneurial characters involved- good luck to him.
I like Kiaat very much because of its working properties-very stable, not too heavy, looks and smells good, takes any polish well.I have used mainly stuff from Mozambique-see the bed in the picture.
What finish did you apply there?
Hi Philip, Were are you from. Koeksisters , Biltong and Droewors is altyd beskikbaar. Part af the culture.
I am using a South African product, wich is a poly wax finish. Can be brushed or wiped. Works very easy and is water and alcohol resistant. Wiped on it gives a satin finish.
A very popular wood in our country. Rosewood is catching up from behind. It realy gets popular nowadays
African Greetings
Nollie,
A useful feature of this forum is that if you click on the name of a person you get their details- so you will see that I came from Zimbabwe to New Zealand etc.
I guess that the product you use is Woodoc? It is also available here-more so than biltong which is in short supply even though beef is in over supply (;).
Are you using Jacaranda?Philip Marcou
Hi, You better make some Biltong( you should know how coming from Zim) There is a lot of South Africans in New Zeeland.
Yes it is Woodoc.
I don't work with Jakaranda. Don't like the light coulered wood. African Woods i work with is Kiaat and Rosewood. Get it from Mark Pitcairn(ex Zim from Karoy area)
African Greetings
Nollie,
What is this Rosewood you talk of? What is its botanical name? (True Rosewood is Dalbergia species). Do you know any other names for it?
Jacaranda is excellent for drawer sides.Philip Marcou
Hi,
African rosewood is another common name. Guibortia coleosperma is the botanical name. It is a pinkish reddish colour. Treated with Woodoc it darkens to a rich red colour. It is hard but cuts clean and sans very fine and smooth.What i do is to expose it to sharp light for it to darken and then to apply Woodoc. You can go on http://www.countrywoods.co.za to see some photo's. Look under African Rosewood
I would get some Jacaranda to make drawer sides. Looks very nice. I used some Poplar (Cottanwood) which i cut locally (cleared a stand for construction)
African Greetings
I have not come across that wood. I looked it up here-http://www.hobbithouseinc.com/personal/woodpics/indextotal.htm
where it is called Etimoe-very good web site for timbers with many many pictures-the guy does not like to see inaccurate pictures such as those put up by timber vendors trying to fly off exotic timbers.
What is the cost per cubic meter?Philip Marcou
Hi, The price is R 9690.00 / m3. Teak from Zim and Kiaat is the same price
Philip and Nollie,
Do either of you gentlemen know of a trustworthy source for shipping these types of woods to the states? I've found some American companies, but I know nothing of their reliability, and the pricing is prohibitive.
Regards,
---Pedro
Sorry, I do not know .
What have you got in mind to do? If you are thinking of importing timber yourself I would strongly advise against this-far better to buy from a local merchant, for various reasons apart from economies of scale...
I would imagine that Pterocarpus Angolensis is pricey- it is a superior timber and much in demand by parquet floor manufacturers all over the world apart from furniture factories.
If you wait a bit, you will be able to buy it from China at a good price-China is poised to "get into" places like Congo and Angola where there is a lot of this timber plus other even better timbers (;)
Anyway, Pedro, what about the delightful American Cherry-one of my favourite timbers, at least?Philip Marcou
Definitely not importing myself, I had wondered if you fellows had a reliable contact to get the good stuff at a more reasonable rate. This may just give me the excuse I needed to go back to Africa. Though I can guarantee you there's no way I'm going to Angola or the Congo. Can't imagine the Chinese will be the best influence on those countries either.Did you get my email? Mine's been acting up lately.Hope you had a Merry Christmas, and will have a Happy New Year.
Best,
---Pedro
Hi,
Sorry i also do not know. I have looked up on some web sites and it is amazing that the price is about 3 times what we pay for it (African Rosewood it is). It was some time ago, can't remember the site. Best you can do is to browse the web to find the best prices.
African Greetings
Hi ,
I am sending you a photo of Rosewood with some nice grain pattern. The sample is treated with Woodoc 10 . The sample was exposed to sharp light for some time. Rosewood turns darker when exposed to sharp light. This is a way to "stain" the wood to a darker colour. The image that was freshly milled is very blurred. I will take a photo later and send it to you.
African Greetings
Philip, I have been around here a long time, but I waste most of my time at Breaktime. I was here when Sgian was sweating like a pig in an un-air conditioned shop in Houston, and when splintergroupe was making a living at craft shows in Montana. Again I apologize for a rash comment."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Hi, I have some pics of African Rosewood. I have freshly milled these two pieces. The picture with the strait grain is the "normal" grain and the other is some variation in grain pattern.
Note the colour difference between the picture that i sent you which is treated with Woodoc 10
African Greetings
Nollie, thanks for that. Actually , now that I have seen those pictures , I do know that timber-in Zim it is called Muchibi. very good stuff, if a bit on the heavy side for some furniture making. It would suit me well for plane handles too.
Unfortunately, and stupidly, I did not bring my Coates Palgrave book-Trees of Southern Africa, otherwise I would have nailed that "rosewood" right away.
If you can get into a saw mill that mills that rosewood ask them to get you something called False Muchibi aka Copalwood- I think it is related but the appearance is awesome- stripey mauve/pink stuff and it is found in the Zambezi valley in the Tete region.
Cheers.Philip Marcou
I waited until the flack passed over..
No hate here.. I thought is was beautiful work but I type as I think at the time,, Sorry for any Grief!
Hi,
No problem . Apology excepted!!!
A prosperous New Year to you
African Greetings
Leon
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