I have a complete shop of my own (General 350 TS, 8″ jointer, two bandsaws, planer, lathe, etc.), but my son just bought a house and he has the option to purchase some hobbyist level equipment that appears to be in very good shape with light use by the current homeowner, who is retiring and seems like a very honest guy. Since it’s been so long since I’ve had to purchase any of my own equipment, I thought I would ask for opinions as to what these are going for on the used market, if he wants to make an offer on any of them.
Here are the tools available to him (this is all the info I have at this time):
1. Jet 14″ bandsaw with closed stand
2. DeWalt 12″, 15A compound double bevel miter saw with rolling cabinet & shop vac
3. Delta 12″ benchtop drill press on rolling Kreg cabinet
4. Jet ProShop 10″ table saw, contractor style, 1.75 hp, 115V, 30″ rip, steel wings & rigid shop vac
5. Bench Dog ProMAX cast iron router table and fence w/ Rockler Pro Router Lift
& Porter Cable VS router motor (these are currently mounted onto the table saw in place of the left-hand wing)
6. 1000 CFM air filtration system with remote
7. Delta disc sander 1/2 hp 12″ on rolling Kreg cabinet
8. 6″ jointer (brand unknown to me)
9. Delta DW735 planer
Any advice will be appreciated!
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Just an opinion. If equipment is very gently used then 25% off current. If it is more typically used 50% off current price. Heavy use or older models 75% off. But you can always use craigslist & ebay to see what things are going for. Make sure you look at actual sales not just for sale.
If it has been sitting for over, say 2 years without use everything should be questioned. If it was being used last week I'd say half of new at best. Delta ain't what it used to be, and it feels like the man has no interest in moving it.
The router table and planer are probably the gems. I'd start by asking what he wants. The opening number is the weakest position in any negotiation when someone obviously wants to sell.
Value is very hard to determine.
The best way to be sure is to look at the market in your locale and see if the gear is going for a similar price.
That having been said, if you are happy that what you are paying is a good use of the money then it's a fair price regardless. The key is to ask if you would rather have spent that money on something else and if you would get more enjoyment from it that way.
A word to the wise though - people underestimate the opportunity cost of time - how much for instance, would I have to pay you to drive somewhere dull and back again? How many hours are you willing to spend searching through listings and traveling to save a small sum? If you can save $200 but have to drive for 5 hours, was it really a saving?
Having all the gear in one hit will save a lot of time, but if you are not going to use it, the space and cash taken by a machine is wasted. Ditto the time taken to sell it later.
Most people are happy to negotiate a very low price for a single sale of everything - take it all and you should get a bargain. About the only dog there is the 6" jointer, but even that is good for a start.
As I’ve gradually upgraded or gone different directions over the last couple years, I’ve sold a few things on craigslist, including a DeWalt 12” 15A compound double bevel miter saw with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time…. For said miter saw, I got $275, in spite of obvious wear, but with plus of good care and condition. Worn, but not abused/broken, etc. Another $50 for the stand.
I think I’ve learned that very good condition used machinery, of good name brands, has a starting point of about 50% of current retail. Better condition, and/or more desirable machinery/tools, price goes up. (The Jet mini lathe, in excellent condition, I sold for asking price of 50% of retail about thirty minutes after the listing hit the ‘net, and I got lots of inquiries afterwards. Clearly could have gotten more.)
But I’ve also learned that I don’t like to try to squeeze every last nickel out of a sale. Life is better when both parties are pretty satisfied with a deal. If one party is ecstatic, the other begins to suspect he (or she) has been “had”.
Several of the machines listed are potentially excellent deals. The DeWalt planer, for instance, is a well-known and well-appreciated home shop workhorse. The Jet bandsaw, the router table, the table saw, possibly the drill press (oh, and the miter saw!)—all are, I’m gonna bet, good machines. The jointer? Meh. But that’s me.
If you can get model numbers, you might be able to get some reasonable comparisons online.
Finally, a standard reminder: don’t let Plato’s ideal derail the perfectly good.
Personally, I would rarely pay more than 50% of current prices. That's also probably why I have so little used equipment.
I keep my eye on the local used market and the vast majority of items I have any interest in are priced so close to new that I would never pay the asking price. Nonetheless, they seem to sell. It doesn't make sense to me but apparently there are plenty of people willing to pay 70-80% or more of new prices for equipment that is often 10-30 years or more old.
I would price new (especially the bandsaw as modern versions have some real advantages to older hobbyist models) and decide how much off is necessary to justify the uncertainty, lack of warranty, wear, probable replacement blades, etc. It's really a personal calculation.
This is how I look at used equipment. If something was available new, I wouldn't pay much more than about 50% of new prices. If it was 80% of new I wouldn't even consider it.
Things that are not available any more I treat differently.
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