That article by Chris S has got me all impatient for more info about the coming Vertitas plough plane and who knows what else.
http://www.popularwoodworking.com/awfs#veritas
Does anyone have more info or a picture yet?
Lataxe, now careening down the slope on one cheek and not even scrabbling for a handhold anymore.
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Bro. Froe, how be thee-well I hope?
I spoke to uncle Hal at LV a fortnight ago about the new specialty planes and for the first time (ever) I didn't get a return call? He didn't know the answers but said that he would talk to the tech elves . They must have been aout and about or are up to their fillisters in the obvious problems in giving birth to this type of tool.
I also wait with baited breath for the left/right skews (aka 289 type) so I can retire my 1" woodies that are a PITA to sharpen and set.
All the best, Paddy
Hah--you *really* want to see it?
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Cannot do so. If I did, I would have to shoot you just before offing myself. It looks like it'll do the job well--but you sorta expected that, huh? Some neat ways of fixing the arms...but Chris already mentioned that. Curvy? Check. He also said that. Hmm. I cannot add to it. Sorry <g>...
I suspect in less than a month you will be able to see it for yourself. That is if it is in the catalog (which means the web site too).
Take care, Mike
Edited 8/15/2007 2:21 am by mwenz
Lataxe my friend
All I can say is that it is sexy.
Teasing in Perth
Derek
Now Derek, Mike, is that really fair on Mr Lataxe? I think not.Looks aside I was reasonably impressed with function too, when I tried it. ;)Cheers, Alf
Alf,
You support my general theory of gender that girls is nice whilst boys are little horrors. Nothing but teasing and sly digs from them blokes out there but at least you show some sympathy for my nervous condition.
However, you failed to post the photograph (or drawing, if the negative is only within your synapses). How long must I suffer like this? Also, I will not be the only one on a tenterhook (I can hear Paddy sighing with want even from here) so let us have the artist's impression, at the very least.
In addition,you must promise a test like those of yore that you have imposed upon various Veritas artifacts, despite your misgivings about such procedures and their aftermath within the electronic aether. Surely the Lee Valley men will be grateful for such feedback and may even post me a free plane, in gratitude, for suggesting your test. (You cannot have a free one, of course, in the interests of objectivity and because Larry would otherwise bite you in region around the nethers, electronically that is, with a jibe concerning buzzing).
Where is that Lee bloke? He must take pity on us by giving out pictures, spec sheets and gift vouchers!
Meanwhile I am going to report Mike Wenzloff to the Minister and Derek Cohen to the psycho society, for unnecessary mental cruelty.
Lataxe, a nervous wreck
Edited 8/15/2007 7:35 am ET by Lataxe
Ah, the agony. Nothing would please me more than to provide photos, artist's impressions, exclusive interviews and even shavings, but alas I fear Mr Lee would, in gangster parlance, "send de boys round" and the prospect of finding a shaving horse's head in the bed is almost as worrying a prospect as Larry biting my electronic regions...Cheers, Alf
You support my general theory of gender that girls is nice whilst boys are little horrors. Nothing but teasing and sly digs from them blokes out there but at least you show some sympathy for my nervous condition.
Lataxe my fine friend
All I have is a picture of the sexy plane that I may lust over. Only Alf appears to have had the pleasure.
Waiting in Perth
Derek
Lataxe, I hate to see a distinguished gentleman such as yourself reduced to a sniveling, pleading lump of humanity. So, I utilized some sophisticated hacking techniques to breach LV's network. After perusing their system, and hacking into some top secret files, I located the following picture of a plough in action. And yes, I do accept your heartfelt thanks and appreciation.
By the way, I am pleased to see that Mr. Lee kept a traditional appearance, but I think storage of the plough may be more of an issue than I anticipated.
By the way, I am pleased to see that Mr. Lee kept a traditional appearance, but I think storage of the plough may be more of an issue than I anticipated.
Nice HH! :)
The one I saw, however, had a single skate.
Regards from Perth
Derek
Houston,
We have a problem. Bet you never heard that one B4!
Gotta like them totes, most unusual.
Regards,Bob @ Kidderville Acres
A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!
Heh heh. The addition of 2 hp is new - a cunning ruse to lure the power tool users I assume... :)Cheers, Alf
HH,
I have ambitions to eventually look like that plough bloke in your photo. Funnily enough there are a few living around here in Galgate, although they only come out in full regalia when the hedging and ploughing competitions are on. Why do they gurn so as they plough? Perhaps it's the tracers cutting into their soft parts, as the Shires or Clydesdales give an especially great heave?
I hope you are taking the mick as them beasts will never fit in the shed. Also, Korky the cat will not be pleased if a girt hoof lands on his tail; and I will be the one to suffer his revenge, not the cuddy. Then there is the feed bill and the mucking-out!
Anyway, no one will give me a look at their "private photos" of the Veritas thang, which just goes to prove that it must be tool porn of the worst (ie best) kind.
You will all be sorry for teasing me when I persuade Philip Marcou to make a proper one for me alone, inclusive of knobs made of galoot's bone. It will be the first and last of its kind, as we will both be arrested for use of forbidden materials, not to mention endangerment of a rare species. Then Mr Lee will get the instrument and put it in a locked cupboard somewhere, to copy later on when the dust has settled.
But my mind is wandering now.
Lataxe, a would-be furrower.
Hi Lataxe,Google
Record 44 plough OR plow plane- it's the model it's based upon, according to the link buried in one of the posts.It might even bring up the site of a well known Cornish lady.cheers,eddie
Lataxe,
Nice thing about a galoot bone knob--the more you rub it, the larger it gets.
Ray
For many of us though, it gets rusty from lack of use.
That small router plane is what caught my eye. I have a little old Stanley, which I use all the time, but the blade is not well made/mounted and is not square to the sole. This little guy is definately on my "wish list".
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
I bought their bigger router plane a while back but didn't have occasion to use it until a week ago. Boy does that thing work nice. If the little one works half as nice, jumping on that if they offer any intro pricing would be a no-brainer.
If you build it he will come.
There is a whole thread on this topic including pictures on WoodNet Handtool forum. Check out
http://www.forums.woodnet.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=handtools&Number=3215074&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all
My understanding is that Taunton & Lee Valley had some disagreement over a write up Taunton printed a couple of years back that Lee Valley claimed was violating one of their patents. Taunton subsequently published an apology however was not totally acceptable to Lee Valley. Since then Lee Valley has gradually stopped carrying Taunton publications and I have not seen Rob Lee on these boards. Sorry state of affairs when you have two of the most influential woodworking companies at odds but oh well...
LB
Edited 8/24/2007 1:03 pm ET by LB
LB,
I remember a reader's tip being published in FWW that looked a bit like the Lee Valley magnet-guided DT sawing arrangement. The next issue Taunton published an apology and a request to readers to not copy the readers tip as LV had moaned about their patent.
I thought this was untypically petty of LV and a great shame. After all, how many dollars would they have lost were a reader or two to make a magnet-guided saw. They would have probably bought the magnets, saw and screws from LV anyway!
However, it hasn't stopped me buying from LV as their stuff is very well designed, engineered and priced. Also, they have a very high reputation for customer service.
Perhaps they have been infested with lawyers and bean counters (spit)?
Lataxe, anti-copyright loony
The problem that Lee Valley (and any manufacturer) faces is that if they don't "vigorously" defend their patent, then another manufacturer would be able to use the evidence of inaction as part of their defense against a patent infringement claim.
What Lee Valley could have done is grant a license to anyone who wanted to make a copy of the device for their own personal use. That would have allowed individuals to build the jig described in FWW without weakening Lee Valley's ability to fight commercial copycats.
There are lots of problems with patent and copyright law, but, as they say about democracy, the only thing worse is the alternative.
-Steve
Steve,
Aha! So there ARE lawyers lurking at LV. Ooh, they scuttle from room to to room like hungry 'roaches!!
Well, I take your point about it being a commercially cut-throat world when capitalism is dominant. Mind, I would continue to buy LV even if Bridge City or Anant tried to offer a magno-saw, as LV always seem to hit the perfect balance between the weight of my wallet and the functionality of their object.
I look forward to the day when the mad profit-seeking mindset evolves into a better mental mode, so that Mr Lee may make and distribute his stuff to even hgher standards, since money will have gone the way of the dodo and profit/loss become one of those laughable albeit repugnant old-fashioned behaviours, like burning a "witch".
Of course, I won't hold my breath. :-)
Lataxe, nowt but the plaything of memes.
I did not see the original article in dispute but I would almost certainly side with LV in every case. I have the DV saw and it works well. Also, I live in Ottawa and I always feel bad when I buy anywhere but Lee Valley. Today I just feel stupid because I received a shipment of router bits from a competing mail order company (won't mention the name Boss Tools here). Most of the bits arrived loose and jumbled together in the box; no gum on the blades for protection. Needless to say, I am not impressed. I *should* have paid more at my local Lee Valley. I will do that next time (or when one of these puppies flies apart, god forbid). Andy
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