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   forestgirl | Apr 16, 2009 08:25am | #1

   "Anyone ever heard of anything like this?"  With an old hairdryer once.  Seriously, though, very bad news.  I would consider (think about, then decide) filing with the Consumer Products Safety Commission.  If several people report a similar incident, it could induce a much-needed recall.  If you're the one and only, no harm done.

   forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 
   
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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 08:27am | #2

   "If you're the one and only, no harm done."Tell that to my fingers. It hurts just typing this.

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   forestgirl | Apr 16, 2009 04:32pm | #3

   I  mean "no harm" in filing the report, i.e., won't cause the company a major headache.   Sorry about your fingers, burns cause the worst kind of pain, and the fingertips are so ennervated!!forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 09:18pm | #15

   I am thinking more and more about filing a report now. Especially since I was told about the known issue with the lighting but Jet saying it isn't their problem.

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   forestgirl | Apr 18, 2009 05:45am | #33

   "He claims it isn't a JET problem but that it is a florescent lighting problem."  IMHO, that is a completely unacceptable stance on the part of the company.  Normal working conditions in a large percentage of woodworking shops include fluorescent lighting. 

   I would be inclined to work my way up the ladder in the Jet/WMH Tool Group hierarchy and get someone in a position of responsibility to discuss this problem, and their response to it.  ("Geeeeez, Jamie, stop thinking of this stuff!"  ROFL!)  For one thing, you'll find out if that is truly management's position on the matter.  forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-) 

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   davcefai | Apr 18, 2009 06:53am | #34

   Gizmos with remotes are never really OFF. Otherwise they cannot be switched on using the remote. If you keep the unit your only safe way of working will be to wire it to a switch which will cut off the power completely - but you have to remember to switch off.One other palliative you could try is to "shade" the sensor unit from as much light as possible to reduce the interference. But again this is not failsafe.Incidentally energy saving lamps might cause more of a problem than normal flourescent tube.One would assume that Jet don't build the electronics themselves but buy them in. They are still responsible for the fault but will have to seek redress from their supplier. One messy lawsuit coming up.

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   DustyGeorge | Apr 18, 2009 06:57am | #35

   I just read through this thread and I am very disappointed with Jet's customer service attitude.  But I am even more amazed by what appears to be a callous disregard of a significant liability issue.  It appears Jet is knowingly distributing a product that has the potential to cause major lose of property or worse. 

   GeorgeYou don't stop laughing because you grow old.  You grow old because you stop laughing. - Michael Pritchard<!----><!----><!---->

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   CalebL | Apr 18, 2009 07:55am | #36

   I called Jet back again this afternoon after I sent the damn thing back. The TS guy named Jim told me that other than send me another one there is really nothing they can do about it. He claimed they haven't changed anything with this model as far as the electrical since the unit first came out and that it wasn't a Jet problem. I told him that I had read that they planned to address this issue and he told me that wasn't correct. There is nothing in the works to change anything with the model as far as he knows.I told him that I have requested a refund and do not want another unit. I told him I had already purchased a Steel City unit and he told me that if it used a remote it would most likely have the same problem. I told him that in all the research I did on the SC unit, I had not found one instance where someone reported a problem like this. However, I found numerous cases that Jet had problems after I knew what to look for. He acknowledged that they have gotten a lot of calls about remotes not working and the units either don't shut off or turn themselves on. He told me that they did move the sensor further back inside the enclosure to try and remedy the problem with the lights but so far it hadn't made much of a difference. It did however, limit the remote strength. You have to point it directly at the back of the unit to get it to work. I told him how hot my unit got and the risk of fire but he claims the unit would not catch fire. I told him it got hot enough to burn my fingers by touching it and he didn't seemed to be concerned.After about 15 minutes I told I could see I wasn't going to get anywhere with this issue and that I wouldn't purchase another Jet product again and hung up.In all the times I have called a CS/TS person, I have never had an experience like this. This was the second one I talked to and they both reacted the same way.

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   JMartinsky | Apr 18, 2009 11:47pm | #38

   I have had the JDS unit for seven or eight years, fluorescent lights , no problems. If Jet can't figure it out, that's ridiculous. Let's design a product for a known environment, but who cares if it actually will function correctly or not? Don't they test these things? What type of lights are in the factory that produces this unit? How dumb............... oh and dangerous.Best,John

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   davidbrum | Apr 16, 2009 04:35pm | #4

   I had to have Jet replace my air cleaner because of some kind of electronic problem. It would intermittently speed and slow. They were very prompt about getting a new unit out to me. New one is fine.

   David B
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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 16, 2009 05:59pm | #5

   I've had one for about 3 years and it gets used average of 6 hours a day. But... when I come up for coffee, I do turn it off. When I leave the house I turn off a coffee pot for that matter even thought it "supposed" to turn itself off. No problems with my Jet so far and it's been heavily used.

   First thing I would do is warranty it and get a new unit. I would check it as soon as you get it as the humming and cage wobble would have told me I have a problem from the get-go.

   Good luck...

   Sarge..

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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 06:38pm | #6

   Sarge, the unit was turned off when it was humming. It appeared to me to be the motor cooling down. The wobble was very slight and only when it was on low speed. It did not vibrate or make any noise when it ran. The squirrel cage turns freely and smoothly. The unit was turned off. It was not on. When it is on, it runs fine. The only way to get the humming to go away is to unplug the unit. Last night, when I went to unplug it was making more noise turned OFF than it was running on high speed. It doesn't make sense. I am calling Jet right now. I will give an update shortly.

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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 06:57pm | #7

   This is the weirdest thing I have ever heard. The Jet Tech Service guy tells me it is my florescent lighting that is causing my machine to act this way. He told me to turn off my lights and run the machine and it if works correctly it is the lighting causing the problem. I told him the lights were off when the unit was burning up. He said it may be because they are on the same circuit. He told me that this is a known issue with the system and florescent lighting. The two do not mix. He claims it isn't a JET problem but that it is a florescent lighting problem. I asked him how many woodworking shops he has been to that didn't use florescent lights. He said most everyone uses florescent lights. I then said it seemed to me that it was a Jet problem. Basically their solution is to work in the dark.He told me to send it back and they will send me another one. I told him I would send it back but no thanks on the replacement. Anyone have any feedback on the JDS system?

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 16, 2009 07:12pm | #8

   I've got 12 4" double row units of flourescent lights. That's BS to me as it is obviously some type of switch problem as it's still getting current to the motor after being turned to OFF. Considering what you were told I would also return it and get a refund as I hate to purchase from any company that I have more common sense about their machine than the technical rep.

   Good luck with the refund... if you don't get one.. go higher in the chain of command. The JDS is well tauted.. I have used the Steel City.. you won't have those kind of responses from either's CS department.

   Sarge.. 

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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 08:09pm | #9

   I found the Steel City 65120 for $230 after the $50 discount. However, the unit is back ordered and won't ship until after the first of May.The JDS 750 system is $340 and would ship now. I paid $330 for the Jet system so 10 bucks more for the JDS doesn't bother me much. However, if the Steel City is comparable then I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of weeks and save $100 bucks.

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 16, 2009 08:25pm | #11

   I think most of the units are fairly compatible in what they do, Caleb. I personally think the type filter used is more defining.

   Good luck..

   Sarge..

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   saschafer | Apr 16, 2009 08:17pm | #10

   Ask the Jet guy for technical info on exactly what's happening. Fluorescent lights certainly can be electrically "noisy," but that's pretty much a fact of life in today's world. If the electronic equipment that you've designed can't tolerate fluorescent lights, the design is broken. Period.

   -Steve (typing this while sitting under a pair of T5 high-efficiency fluorescent lights)

    

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 16, 2009 08:33pm | #12

   Steve.. the cage is still turning after the unit supposely shuts down. That means electricity has to be by-passing the switch and IMO has nothing to do with flourescent lights. IMO.. the tech rep should know that if the motor is running.. squirrel cage spinning.. etc., then electricity is getting to the components with the switches in the shut off position which it shouldn't.

   Similar to what I ask my son when he was around 5 years old. I had told him not to open a glass door case and take out my military medals. I opened his door one day and found the somewhat heavy metal cases in the floor. I ask how they got there.

   I... I... I.. dunno. I bet the wind blew them or Aunt Laurie came over (Aunt Laurie lives 70 miles away) and put them there. 

   And I bet the cage kept turning because of having flourescent lights in the shop. ha.. ha... ha..ha..ha..

   I didn't replace my son but.... I would replace my rep that told me that for someone with a bit more common sense much less techinical knowledge.

   Regards...

   Sarge..

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   saschafer | Apr 16, 2009 08:59pm | #13

   "That means electricity has to be by-passing the switch and IMO has nothing to do with flourescent lights."

   On the contrary, it could be entirely because of the fluorescent lights. Air cleaners typically have a wireless remote (mine does). If the electrical noise from the lights is somehow "jamming" or mimicking the remote's signal, it's very possible that the device is being switched rapidly on and off.

   -Steve

    

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   CalebL | Apr 16, 2009 09:13pm | #14

   If that is the case, like the Jet CS told me it was, why is it that they take the stance of you have to work in the dark or change your whole lighting plan and that the problem isn't theirs but that it's the florescent light makers? Seems to me that they would do something about it. The florescent light makers are not going to get together and change their product because it isn't compatible with a Jet air filtration system. The CS told me that they get calls like mine regularly. However, this was the first time he had heard of the motor burning up like this. He told me that most of the cases is that the remote control doesn't work with the florescent lights in use or the unit turns itself on and will not shut off. Since you can't change speeds or set the timer without the remote, I would think they could either change the remote or the easiest thing would to do away with it all together and add the buttons on the unit itself. I can promise you, if I had known an issue like this was possible, I would have never considered buying it, regardless of how well it cleans the air.

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   saschafer | Apr 16, 2009 09:45pm | #16

   "If that is the case, like the Jet CS told me it was, why is it that they take the stance of you have to work in the dark or change your whole lighting plan and that the problem isn't theirs but that it's the florescent light makers?"

   Well, I think the answer to that is pretty obvious. If you can convincingly say, "It's not my problem," you've also managed to say, "I don't have to pay for it."

   -Steve

    

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 16, 2009 10:36pm | #17

   Ahhh... I got you. I did not catch (even though I have gone back and read that he set it for two hours) that this is remote.  Mine is not remote and frankly.. I wasn't aware they made one that was. I should have caught that from the beginning but I stay in a hurry it seems.

   If that is the case... I am really clueless as I know nothing about how remotes work but I suppose it could make sense. At this point after learning about this situation.. I'm glad I got mine in the "remote-less" part of the century. ha.. ha...

   Thanks for the explanation as I just became a bit wiser... I think?

   Sarge..

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   Wingdoctor | Apr 20, 2009 07:50pm | #39

   Sorry about your problem with the Jet unit and the ridiculious service suggestion. Sounds stupid to me!

   I do have the JDS unit and am very happy with it. I have not seen the Jet so I cannot compare, but my JDS 750 runs and works fine.

   Bruce"A man's got to know his limitations." Dirty Harry Calahan

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   | Apr 17, 2009 01:08am | #18

   Caleb,

   My day job is as an electronics technician and I can tell you that florescent lighting, in particular the electronic ballast types, are known for causing all kinds of interference to other electronic devices. This is not an excuse for shoddy engineering. A company making these type of shop dust filters should be well aware that florescent lighting is likely to be used in the environment where such a filter is deployed, and as such should have engineered their filter electronics for immunity to this type of interference. Some company's will try to get as much as they can from the American consumer, while putting forth as little as they can. If I had known this a year ago, I would have never purchased my Jet filter! Makes me suspect of their other products; and to think, I was looking at their JJP-12 jointer planer.

   Bob, Tupper lake, NY

    

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   CalebL | Apr 17, 2009 03:21am | #19

   Bob, this was my first experience with Jet. The reason I bought this unit was because it got good reviews and I had heard a lot of good things about Jet. However, I don't think I will ever own another Jet product unless it is given to me....even then I will make sure to unplug it after every use.

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   | Apr 17, 2009 01:52pm | #22

   Caleb,

   It's the tech support response that really gets my goat. Finger pointing and passing the buck is just what I look for in a tool manufacturer.

   Maybe someone from Jet will read these posts and contact you, telling you that the tech you spoke with is being dealt with and offering to make it right. I wouldn't hold my breath though.

   If we (consumers) don't make a big deal out of things like this the manufacturers will continue to supply us with the lowest quality product and service they can get away  with.

   Bob, Tupper lake, NY

   Edited 4/17/2009 6:55 am ET by salamfam

   Edited 4/17/2009 6:57 am ET by salamfam

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   sawdustdad | Apr 17, 2009 05:11pm | #24

   I have the JDS 2000 with infrared remote. It's 5 years old and still works fine. I have mostly flourescent lighting in the shop. Never had any issues with interference.

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   CalebL | Apr 17, 2009 06:07pm | #26

   Thanks sawdustdad. I looked at the Steel City and the JDS and both had great reviews. I ordered the Steel City because it was $220 with free shipping. I'm sure Jet makes some pretty good machines but this was my first Jet purchase and will be my last. Their flippant attitude about the whole thing has really soured me on their products. I still can't believe they told me I should change my lighting or run the air cleaner with the lights off.

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   mikeddd | Apr 17, 2009 08:32pm | #27

    I like your way of thinking, I have a Steel City jointer and I can say from my experience that there customer support is excellent and I think the jointer works great. Good luck with your new purchase.

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   PeterDurand | Apr 17, 2009 08:35pm | #28

   I wonder if there is a way to send the link of this thread to the president of Jet in Switzerland? 

   Better life through Zoodles and poutine...

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   SARGEgrinder47 | Apr 18, 2009 05:14am | #32

   Glad to see you made a decision on what to do. I apoligize for mis-leading as I didn't originally catch it was a remote. I don't do remotes including the cyclone and really had no idea this kind of thing could happen. My over-head is within easy reach and the cyclone switch is on a pole beside it which is centrally located. I just prefer to ride the stick myself in lieu of "auto-pilot" which gives me control of the machine in lieu of the machine being in control of me. :>)

   Good luck and BTW... I have 4 Steel City Machines in my shop. The customer service is second to none. If you ever have to call them... ask for Jim Box (head of technical dept.) and tell him Sarge sent ya. I worked with Steel City at the IWF Show in Atlanta last fall demonstrating machines. Great group and the good news is... they are Tool Guys just as they advertise.

   Regards...

   Sarge..

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   KiddervilleAcres | Apr 17, 2009 03:48am | #20

   Kinda makes ye wonder what the QA (Quality Assurance) department was doing (or not doing), eh?  Tech. Support got calls about this regularly?

   Regards,

   Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

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   CalebL | Apr 17, 2009 08:13am | #21

   When I got home this evening I tried the turning on and off the lights to see if it had any effect on the unit. Sure enough it did. With the lights off, the unit works fine. I turned the lights on and the unit went crazy. It is actually trying to start and stop rapidly just like a kid pushing the "ON" button a million times. No wonder the thing was over heating. I was going write a review of my problem on Amazon and started reading some recent reviews. It seems this is a major problem. Here are a few I came across:AFS-1000B has a timer defect, February 25, 2008
   By A. Traub - See all my reviews
   (REAL NAME)
   I purchased the AFS-1000B, tested out the unit, seemed fine. Went into my shop the next day and it was running even though I had turned it off. Turns out, if you set the timer and then change your mind and turn it off, it will turn itself on a couple of hours later and run until you stop it. Could be days! Jet sent me a new board, I installed it, same thing. So I returned it for another AFS-1000B. Same thing happens. This one is going back in the box and being returned and I'm now shopping for a unit that works properly and isn't possessed.Contact Jet before you buy to see if this has been corrected. Could be a good tool.Jet's reply from tech support on 2/28/08:Thank you for writing. There is a solution in the works, but I don't know what it's going to be. I'll let you know as soon as I have an answer.Aundrea BerkeyInternet Customer SupportWMH Tool GroupMakers of POWERMATIC¯, JET¯, and WILTON¯ products Fluorescent lights and confused timer., February 8, 2009
   By R. Hyer "home shop tool guy" (Ogden, Utah United States) - See all my reviews
   (REAL NAME)
   I received my AFS-1000B Just before Christmas and found it to be constructed fine for hanging from a high ceiling so you couldn't hit your head on the corner. It filters dust form the air fine and kept the air very clean even though I was doing quite a bit of sanding.There are two problems that are deal breakers for the unit in my opinion since I have high ceiling as mentioned before. The remote wont work with fluorescent lights on in the shop. You must go and shut the lights off, activate the unit with the remote, and then turn the lights on again. I tried to make a shield so the lights wouldn't shine directly on the sensor but that didn't work any better. The other problem, is with the timer. There are no buttons on the unit itself to activate the timer so you must use the remote. If you do activate the timer for say 4 hours and then get called away and, manually or by the remote, turn the unit off, then at the end of the 4 hours your unit will turn itself back on and will stay on until you come back and turn it off.I have been on the phone with WMH Tool group to get the problem remedied and they acknowledge the problem but don't have a fix for it at this writing, 2/8/09. They did say they would replace it but I think the problem is inherent in the design from talking to them and would also be in the one replacing it.If you only use it in a location where you don't need or use the timer and you don't have fluorescent lights in your shop you would love it! Beware if you have fluorescent lights or need the timer function. All of the problems I found have to do with the remote. Remote Doesnt Work, December 23, 2008
   By R. Miller "Robert" (MD) - See all my reviews
   (REAL NAME)
   This product has problems in shops with fluorescent lights. They can interfere with the operation of the remote. It does not work in my shop. Unfortunately, this is a well known problem to Jet! They do not have a solution except to turn off the lights to use the remote. They should correct this problem or stop selling the item! Do not mount this anywhere near a fluorescent light fixture.

   Edited 4/17/2009 1:14 am ET by CalebL

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   Frank Vucolo | Apr 17, 2009 05:07pm | #23

   I am a big fan of JET, have several of their tools in my shop, and find the quality and performance very good.

   This, however is very disappointing. They manufacture a device with a switch/timer/remote component that is not compatible with devices (florescent lights) that are almost certain to be used in the area of the air cleaner? And they know about it and continue to sell the unit??

   They are effectively selling a product that they KNOW is likely to not perform well and disappoint the customer. That's a clear attempt at hitting short term revenue goals with complete disregard for long term reputation.

   A year ago I bought a 14/42 lathe from Jet. Great lathe, love it. I went to order a second banjo to use a long tool rest. Jet says you can't order one. "Huh," I say. "One comes with every lathe, why can't I order another."

   Turns out the only option is to order it by buying all the component parts and putting it together yourself - at twice the cost of a comparable banjo!

   Something tells me that this company is starting to lose the plot and drift off, taking their customer base for granted. They established a good brand over the past 20 years or so. How can they fail to protect it? Amazing.

   Caleb, thanks for the excellent report and detailed information.

   Frank

    

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   mikeddd | Apr 17, 2009 05:19pm | #25

    This sounds absurd, how can it be in this day and age with all of the remote control units out there for just about everything you own, that this one will not work with fluorescent lights, because the lights where around long before these remotes. Has no one had this problem with different brands of dust filtration systems, one would think that some of them are probably made in the same factory. I am planing on installing a air filtration system in my shop in the near future, but I will be staying clear of the Jet brand after reading this, please keep us posted.

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   KiddervilleAcres | Apr 18, 2009 12:35am | #29

   Caleb,

   Well that sure is interesting.  I did some roaming around the WEB and found all sorts of info. and apparently this issue is known to cause similar problems with a lot of remotes for different things.

   I bought an overhead air filter several years ago, a knockoff of the JDS made by a company called Pioneer, and I had flourescent lights in the woodshop.  I did notice that several times when I went up to the woodshop the filter would be running. 

   As it was new and I wasn't all that familiar with it I didn't really give it much thought until it came on once whilst I was up there.  Was busy with something at the time so I just unplugged it.

   Since then I replaced all the flourescents with CFLs and installed separate switches so I could only use lighting where/when needed.  Have not had any issues with the air filter, just trying to be greener in the woodshop.  I will say that I like the light they provide a lot better; the only downside is that they take a while to heat up/become fully illuminating. 

   Now I'm not suggesting that CFLs are a solution to your problem but it is somewhat coincidental.  RF interference and flourescent lights are WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY beyond me, and Jet too apparently.  (:o

   It is odd that this problem hasn't been mentioned with other brands of air filtration units though...........

   Regards,   Bob @ Kidderville Acres

   A Woodworkers mind should be the sharpest tool in the shop!

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   saschafer | Apr 18, 2009 01:04am | #30

   We used to have a TV whose remote didn't like fluorescent lights (including CFLs). It wouldn't turn on and off by itself, but if the lights were on, the remote wouldn't work. Because the lights that caused the problem were off most of the time, it took forever to figure out the connection.-Steve

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   kreuzie | Apr 18, 2009 04:56am | #31

   I'm with Sarge...I don't like to leave the house (or shop) with something running. Mr. Murphy is a good friend of mine...

   I have a JDS and purposely avoided buying one with a remote because 1) it's one more thing to misplace, and 2) it's very easy to reach up and tug on a pull chain (cheaper and less to go kaput, too).

   If you really must leave the unit on for a while, find something to do while it does its thing, then turn it off and leave the shop.

   Your problem has to be with the remote; I have never had a problem with my two-speed, Armstrong-start air cleaner, which, as I recall, is on the same circuit as the fluorescent lights.

   kreuzie

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   woodbum | Apr 18, 2009 03:55pm | #37

   I sympathize with you over your burnt fingers. But my simple answer after owning my Jet air filtration unit for 9 years is no.

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   MamaBear71OG | Jul 09, 2021 01:29pm | #40

   Wow, this is both disappointing and a relief?
   It’s disappointing because we expected more of this company and yet here it is 12 years after this post and we’re having the exact same problem.
   It’s only a relief because I guess we have somewhat of an answer, but more so it’s not the original electrition’s fault, as it’s a new build and that was very concerning.

   However, seriously?! So maybe go back to the drawing board, cause lights aren’t going to change for them.
   Not to mention, our’s isn’t on the same feed as the lights so this’s happening just from being in the same room as lights…guess they planned on us working in the dark. So this constant surge when there should not be any will “brown out” the unit and then what?
   Leaving us having to unplug something that is supposed to work from it’s installed location, on the ceiling of the wood shop every time it’s needed?
   Lame and shameful, have some pride in your product and fix the problem.

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   rexturbo | Jul 14, 2021 10:43am | #41

   Just saw this. I’ve had EXACTLY the same problem as you described. Did an online search, turns out others have reported the same problem. And Jet had the same worthless response. I guess they are waiting for someone’s house to burn down, then a big lawsuit would probably get their attention. I would recommend a recall on their part.

   I keep mine unplugged when not using it just to be safe, but am going to get rid of it and go to another brand. Will never buy another Jet product since safety doesn’t appear to be a concern.

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    user-7165209 | Mar 04, 2022 03:23pm | #42

    I have the same problem, buzzes and squirrel cage turns when power is off. I'm a weekend woodworker, bought mine last year and it's been a nagging problem. Today I measured just over 4 amps running to the unit from the outlet when the power was off. Interesting that it would be a problem with the remote. I suppose I'll call the seller and see if I can swap it for a remote-less version.

    Thanks for this string, at least I know what the problem is now.
    Chris

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    eddo234 | Mar 05, 2022 09:41am | #43

    Yikes! I bought one a year ago, and it’s still in the box, waiting for me to finish renovating the barn where it will be used. I have LED shop lights, so no ballasts, hopefully the controllers for those don’t cause the problem.

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   jim_hall | Mar 05, 2022 01:24pm | #45

   I converted my fluorescent light fixtures to LED tubes by purchasing those conversion kits at the hardware store. Simple to do and it eliminates the ballasts. There's no controller for LED shop lights. The tubes connect directly to your 110v current. Later I hung a Jet 1000b air filter/cleaner with chains from the ceiling. After two years of use, I haven't experienced any problems with the unit or the remote. So, you probably won't either.

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   eddo234 | Mar 05, 2022 01:30pm | #46

   Good to know.

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    chiwoodworker | Mar 05, 2022 12:54pm | #44

    You can still get timed cleaning without a remote. I have an older unit and it is on a switched circuit. The switch is a mechanical timer (Super cheap in the electrical isle). 1 hr max. Power cuts completely when the time is up. Cleaner is in the rafters above my head. switch is on the rafter right above the TS.

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   eddo234 | Mar 05, 2022 01:32pm | #47

   I was thinking I'd put mine on a switched circuit and try to remember to turn off the switch when I leave for the day. The timer switch is a good idea.

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    stevieray | Mar 06, 2022 12:15pm | #48

    I had a microwave burst into flames and had to hit it with a fire extinguisher.

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   eddo234 | Mar 07, 2022 10:37am | #49

   My grandmother and her brother died in a fire in the 1970s caused by his Zenith TV blowing up. Apparently there were lots of fires caused by the same Zenith model.