Face frame kitchens are virtually unknown in the UK. I have a customer who wants one (with inset doors). I feel confident about making one, but I would like to find a web source of pics of finished kitchens. I’ve been right through the books available from Amazon in the UK, not much there and most of it 4 to 6 weeks delivery!
TIA
John
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Here are 2 links that might help:
http://www.thekitchenfactory.com/kitchens/photos_of_kitchens.htm
http://www.wood-mode.com/PHOTO-GALLERY/default.htm
If they don't, you could modify my Google search, which used "face-frame kitchen photos" as a search string:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=face%2Dframe+kitchen+photos
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Thanks for the links, Forestgirl. I should have tried a Google myself. Unfortunately the photos shown aren't much use to me- just as with the UK stuff the photos are beautifully composed, plenty of fresh flowers in evidence, a good idea of the general look of the kitchen but no detail of the cabinetry itself.
What I need is probably not going to be found on a sales site!
John
Are you wanting to show them the construction detail then? LMK exactly what you're trying to "see" maybe I can help.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Forestgirl, I don't need constructional detail because these are pics to show a customer what I want to offer them, I already have a pretty good idea as to how to make them. What I really need is a pic or two that shows enough of a face frame cabint to be able to see two or three doors and drawers with the frame in between. Being able to see the frame in between is the feature which will distinguish it from the Euro style frameless cabinets which are just about the only type that can be found here.
Thanks for taking the trouble to post the pics, Dave, nice cabinet work too. A bit too close in for my needs
John
Don't give up on Google, John! There are some closeups and doors/drawers open in this series of pics:http://www.frontiercabinets.com/Pics/kitchens/dvk.html
Comes from this gallery:http://www.frontiercabinets.com/Face_frame_kitchens.html
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Thanks for your continuing efforts on my behalf, Forestgirl, unfortunately I need pics of face frame with inset doors and all those were laid on. I guess I'll just have to build something and photograph it myself, was hoping for a quicker solution though
John
I'm surprised someone here can't photo their kitchen for you! Surely, there's a kitchen out there in Knothead land that fits the description. Good luck. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I'm sure I can dig up some of a run of cabinets, if you are still looking.
Dave and Wayne. Thanks for the offers, and yes, I'm still looking for pics of face frame kitchens with inset doors.I tried emailing you guys through the website, and checked the box to send a copy to myself. Haven't had the copy come though yet, so if there is a problem, my email address is
[email protected]
Thanks
John
I'm having trouble contacting you by email, but I'll keep trying. Here's a couple of links which might show what you are looking for in the meantime.
http://www.crown-point.com/Crkit1.html is a photo
http://www.crown-point.com/index.html is this manufacturer's home page
Just so you know, these are not typical American face frame cabinets, these are much classier than ordinary folks would have in a mass-produced home. Some key differences are, 1. that most cabinets have semi-overlay doors rather than inset doors, and, 2. standard cabinets have no legs; the front just overhangs all along the bottom, forming a toe kick. Typically, American cabinets are just a long wall of cabinets, all flush along the front and of equal height. That style is called "fitted" and became popular in the 1920's or so when modern meant built-in. The ones in the links are meant to suggest "unfitted" cabinets, which are meant to look more like free-standing furniture. To accomplish this look the cabinets have legs, and vary in height and depth.
I hope this helps you find photos of what you are looking for.
I can give you some.
Right here a Tauton. Avast world of information.
Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
Where exactly? I can find lots of books on the subject here on this web site, but being as I am in the UK it will take a while for a book to reach me and even then I can't be sure it will have the pictures I need
John
Edited 9/12/2003 10:01:17 AM ET by john
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Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....
"Books and video tab in the header"
Tried it, NFG for my purposes as explanied earlier
John
My sister had a kitchen from MFI (I know!) with inset doors so some people are building them.
"My sister had a kitchen from MFI (I know!) with inset doors so some people are building them"
Yes indeed, and they have a face frame as well. However, how they have done it is to build each cabinet with its own face frame, then butt them together. The result of this is that the piece of frame between each pair of doors is actually two pieces! One of the effects of this is that they can only offer that type of kitchen in a painted finish because if they tried it with real wood the two different grains in each vertical part of the frame would make what they had done very obvious.
I've seen the same sort of thing from several other manufacturers, including at least one custom maker!
John
That is the way most face frame cabinets are built in the USA and it does look less than perfect. look like you are going to build cabinets in large sections and then add the face frames and inset doors. Going to get heavy.
The plan is to make the individual cabinets, with adjustable legs, in the workshop. Then fix them together on site, and make and fit the face frame on site. To take up any inaccuracies I plan to make the doors slightly oversize and trim them to fit. Sound feasible?
John
What style of door will you be using? I would be tempted to arange the sizes to keep it simple. Finishing is very important with this style of door to reduce expansion and contraction. Clearance being the controling factor. Some door styles can be tweaked with ease.
I have some pictures of face frame cabinets with inset doors which I can send you. I tried emailing you but the message came back undeliverable ("non existent host or domain"). Please email me and we can discuss how best to get the photos to you.
Hi, John!
Recently I visited a custom cabinetmaker in North Carolina who does very creative work and who has clients far and wide in the US. If that sort of thing is of interest, I'm sure he would be happy to send you some photos. His name is Steve Tengelsen and his email address is: [email protected].
Good luck!
Try this site for face frame cabinets that have inset doors and a built- in- place furniture look: http://www.kennebeccompany.com
Well, I bought a scanner. Here are some photos showing multiple inset doors and drawers contained within a common frame. The cabinets are not completely done in these older photos, and the photo quality is disappointing, but it's a start.
Thanks for the pics, Wayne, nice looking cabinets, lighting can be a problem with pics like this, even using a flashgun will often produce undesirable shadows. One thing I've noticed about american style kitchens is that the drawers are often quite narrow, where as european designs will tend to use wider drawers but obviously not so many. Food for thought
John
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