From Marc Adams description of his advanced joinery class – “curved slipped mortise and tenon joint”.
Can someone please tell me what on earth the above is and why it would take a number of carving gouges to do? By the way, if you look at Marcs website and try to find the tools list for the class, you will be blocked unless you have the login. Anyone have any idea why someone would hide their tool list?
Chris
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Chris,
I noticed the same thing about Marc's tool lists. Quite odd, if you ask me.
Lee
Had a guy come into woodcraft yesterday and he said its not just Marc who does it. Think they fear the intelligent masses will figure out the scam they're running?Chris
And what scam is that?
fwiw, 99% of the 2008 school year's tool lists are here:
http://marcadams.com/ClassesByDate.html
Phil Lowe's is missing (he can be emailed from his site). Didn't see an advanced joinery class listed, but I only scanned through the list. And I have no idea what that joint is nor where it would be used.
You could email him. I have in the past and received a reply.
Take care, Mike
OK, maybe I had Marc Adams confused with someone else. That doesn't even look like the site I remember. I do know there was a site when you clicked "tool list" that it asked for a password.
Cheers,
Lee
Hi Lee,
No, I think you had it right. IIRC, MA did require a PW for the tool lists in the past. And iirc, there was at least one other. While I think the idea is dumb, it is their prerogative to do so. I am in the camp of not understanding it, though.
I would think it is of the benefit for all to see what tools the school provides and what are necessary for the student--or prospective student--to bring.
Speaking of that, I need to make a list for a session in November! Better get hoping, it's approaching quickly.
Take care, Mike
Mike,
I think it's dumb as well. I learned my lesson this year - last October I booked 2 classes with Lonnie Bird for this year - a basic hand tools class and a carving class coming up in September. Little did I know the tool list for each class is over $600 each. When you figure in hotel/gas/food plus tuition, that makes for an expensive class. I definitely feel the class was worth the total outlay in cash, I just might not have booked two classes had I known the costs involved (not to mention who know gas would be $4 a gallon).
I would recommend to anyone thinking of taking a class to email the instructor and get a copy of the tool list in advance. That way they can figure it into the total cost.
And Mike, are you giving a class in November or taking one?
P.S. I'm shooting you an email re: my saws.
Cheers,
Lee
Hi Lee,
I will be doing two of the PopWood seminars in Berea this November. One is on western saws and will be Joel (TFWW) and I. The other is a saw sharpening seminar. Which will be a rather fun time.
Take care, Mikewho has a few emails to get to tonight/in the morning...
Mike,Tried to access your link and the "faster" link at the top of the listings was not active and the "list" by each class downloaded a pdf that required a password to load.BB
Hi BB,
At the link, on the far right side are links to the PDFs for each class. I downloaded several. No PW required.
Mike
mwenz,
I clicked on your link and the tool list IS password protected.
Alan - planesaw
I can download any of them. I right-click and choose to save as. Weird.
Mike
Mike,
Actually, probably not weird at all. You have probably been given access by Mr. Adams that John Q. Woodworker does not have.
Alan - planesaw
Hi Alan,
I'm at home for a BBQ (snuck into the office here) and tried it from my wife's laptop. Works here as well, so I don't think it would be access issues.
Out of curiosity, are your trying to simply save them from the listing page I linked to, or clicking directly into them? Or going to a particular class page?
See if this works. A direct link to a pdf:
http://marcadams.com/assets/2008ToolLists/20080331MA.pdf
Take care, Mike
Hmmmm,
It seems to download, but at the very last second before opening, it asks for a password.
Lee
Mike,
When I click on your first link, I get the page with the list of classes. It has two columns to the right. One for More Info and one for Tool List. When I click on Tool List on whatever class I select, I get a message that says
'C20080414MF.pdf is protected. Please enter a Document Open Password.
When I click on your link with the pdf file, I get the same message. The number changes, probably according to the class the tool list is associated with, but I have checked this on two computers and get the same thing either way.
Alan - planesaw
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See if this works. A direct link to a pdf:
http://marcadams.com/assets/2008ToolLists/20080331MA.pdf
Take care, Mike
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I clicked on that link and I could not open the PDF file without the password for the file.
Mike,Still the same- password needed.
3 strikes, Not worth the effort for a simple list.RegardsBB
Password protected pdf file!!
To me it's the same kind of mentality involved in writing an article on finishing maple but not bothering to mention what type of dye or what concentration he/she used. What's the point of even writing the thing. Some great secret that if it gets out it might ruin his/her career! Perhaps scam isn't the right word, but come on, $650 to learn how to cut a dovetail? Come to my house (Knoxville TN) and Ill teach you how to cut all the dovetails you want for $150 and I'll even make you the best damn roast beef sandwich you've ever had. Not gonna tell you what its made with though.As for the class lists, I clicked on each tool list link and everytime this is what I got - "'C20080929MA.pdf' is protected. Please enter a Document Open Password." In this case the MA stands for Marc Adams and the number represent the date of the class (Joinery 2). This is the class that includes the mitered sliding mortised hip joint.Chris
"curved slipped mortise and tenon joint".
A slipped mortise and tenon joint sounds like a bridle joint or as it is also called an open mortise joint.
Curved indicates that the mortice and tenon are, well, curved. One possible use is in a thin curved (in plan view) door. Thin, because, if it were thicker you would use a straight tenon. A thin door might require a tenon curved to match the door curve.
Just a guess, I does not seem like a joint that would be widely used, nor difficult to make if needed.
Mike
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