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   user-201400 | Sep 18, 2006 09:05pm | #1

   for years i used an apollo turbine , worked great till it got to warm weather . then it became a nightmare , turbine air was too hot flashing lacquer . finally went to woodworkers show in vegas and talked to mlcambell  about problems they sent me to kremlin booth and sata booth . i settle with sata hvlp and don't have one complaint . i'm sorry i waited all these years . simple to use ,easy to clean and can switch needles in seconds .

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   Mumda | Sep 19, 2006 03:25am | #2

   Bump.

   I need input.

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   HowardAcheson | Sep 19, 2006 03:27am | #3

   Purchase Andy Charron's Spray Finishing. You can get it here or at Amazon. It will answer all your questions and even those that you haven't thought to ask.Howie.........

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   oldusty | Sep 19, 2006 04:03am | #4

   Hi Mumda,

          Just out of curiosity , what product does your pro spray ?  I would be surprised if he sprays waterborne products on a professional basis. Also what type of spray rig does the pro use ? Since the finish is great the pro puts on maybe that would be the way to go for you .

          Here in the PNW waterborne type products do not do well in the cold months . The majority of cabinet makers and finishers use Lacquer , one type or another .

   I use an airless pump and spray Rudd brand of a cat lac . My airless cost less than you are ready to spend and on the very first kitchen I used it on it paid for itself , that was about 12 years ago .

     The results are mostly flawless and very little maintenence has been required over the years .

           You can rent an airless and finish a job with it just to get a hands on feeling whether you like it or not .

                            best of luck         dusty

    

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   Mumda | Sep 19, 2006 04:30am | #5

   Thanks again for the advice Dusty.My finisher uses HVLP spray guns from Devilbiss and also Binns I think. He sprays all solvent lacquers and aniline dyes, but he has huge spray booths with exhaust vents that scrub the air. He also pays big $$ for permits and monitoring, which is why I lean towards waterborne to avoid most or all of that hassle.My shop is well heated and air conditioned, so the seasons shouldn't affect me much.I will check out an airless and see how that looks.

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   oldusty | Sep 19, 2006 09:56am | #6

   Believe it or not very fine results can be obtained with lacquers even without a professional spray booth . Lacquers flash off or begin to dry so fast that the dust will not have much time to settle into the finish .

       Check anonymously with the DEQ or whichever the governing agency is in your area on the volume that needs to be used to regulate or permit . Here in Oregon I was told there are no permits required for less than a ton per year other than local fire safety rules and local codes that may exist .

       Perhaps the waterborne materials have become formulated to dry faster than when they were first introduced , honestly I have never used them . With lacquer the moisture in the room seems more critical then the actual temp . I also have an adequate heating system in the shop so even when it is 25 or 30° out I can spray with decent results .

      I keep the air moving until the finish tacks to a semi dry , I suppose it keeps the dust moving as well and does not give it a chance to settle . Don't misunderstand me proper exhaust fans and safety are paramount with any materials being sprayed .

                    I first learned to spray with the old school conventional cup guns , when I graduated to an airless I already had grasped the concept of spraying but the difference was like night and day. Very easy to get used to and in short time a professional outcome was achieved .

                    dusty

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   observer | Sep 20, 2006 07:17am | #7

   Just recieved my 24K system purchased on ebay, basically a 23K with onboard compressor and a 2 qt pressure pot system instead of a cup gun.

   Tried it out today with spray and wipe stain and post-cat on some cabinets I'm building and am extremely pleased. A bit of a learning curve switching from cheap conventional equipment but by the end of the day, I had the best finish I've yet been able to produce.

   Very well made and if you buy a system with the #10 gun, you can also switch to using shop air instead of the turbine by adding a regulator at the gun. Gun is Delrin and very easy to clean up

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   Mike&L | Sep 21, 2006 06:24pm | #8

   Good for you!

   If you do convert the #10 gun to shop compressor, what gpm at what air pressure is required of your compressor?

   MikeIf my hands were only as smart as my head.

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   observer | Sep 21, 2006 11:13pm | #9

   The gun literature isn't handy at the moment, but Homestead lists 8.5 to 10 cfm at 40 psi ( http://www.homesteadfinishing.com/htdocs/accuspray.htm#turbguns - scroll down to #36 propack). They list the conversion regulator for about $60 if you already have the gun and sell the gun, regulator and two tip setups for $400.

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   Mike&L | Sep 22, 2006 06:25am | #10

   So, a pretty big, stationary compressor.

   I read that there are newer conversion guns out there that require less air flow, but I haven't seen them or their specs yet.  This whole HVLP thing is intriguing, but man, it's expensive.

   Mike D

    If my hands were only as smart as my head.

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   observer | Sep 22, 2006 08:19am | #11

   I went HVLP because I'm limited by electrical circumstances in what compressor is possible in my shop. I paid about $625 on ebay for a little-used example of exactly what I was looking for and suspect I have my finishing problems solved. They've been the major thorn in my side for some time.My main concern was the turbine-heated air flashing the finish too quickly but I found that only the first 5 or 6 feet of the hose from the turbine got warm on a reasonably warm day at the rate I normally spray. I understand the extra 6' of hose on a pressure pot systems also helps to minimize the problem so I don't expect it will trouble me.I have found that with HVLP bounceback is greatly reduced, important in cabinet work, and this gun allows great control so an even wet coat is easy. The turbine is great; it never runs out of air the way my compressor does so spray is even and consistent for as long as I need it to be. Though noisy, it's much quieter than my compressor running full time as it does when I spray. I don't expect to spray anything but lacquers, varnishes and stains so the three stage turbine should be easily sufficent and the setup is much easier to pack along for site work then my compressor system. All told, I couldn't be more satisfied.

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   john_c2 | Apr 30, 2020 01:09pm | #13

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