Where is Splintie?
Always enjoyed her posts and work
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You know 4333, I always enjoyed her "high energy" posts, too, and was wondering the same thing.
I've been speculating that maybe she musta found a guy she likes and is either too busy doing other things...or maybe it just mellowed her out to the point that she's no longer frustrated enough to really enjoy hammering away at this bastion of chauvanism.
I do indeed miss her. She was the ultimate challenge for anyone interested in perfecting their conflict avoidance skills.
She's alive and well and very busy renovating another house.
Jon, we've been getting along so well, I just have to ask: is there a relationship between political conservatism and chauvanism?
Bill Lindau
Bill
Please bring your seat to an up-right position and fasten your seat-belt please. I have a feeling the air is going to get turbulent. ha..ha..
Have a good evening and remember the Scout Motto, "Be Prepared". ha..ha..
sarge..jt
Yes. They both start with the letter "c".
>>"Jon, we've been getting along so well, I just have to ask: is there a relationship between political conservatism and chauvanism?"<<
Hmmm, not that I can think of, Bill. In fact both positions you've taken here strike me as irrational. :O)
Jon, you sound a little defensive, but's that's ok. anyway asking if there is a relationship between conservatism and chauvanism isn't taking a position.
Well, Bill, I suspect there is some relationship between Conservatism and chauvanism...especially with respect to the extreme "biblical" Right, since the bible teaches gender roles. Personally, in the context of domestic politics, I don't agree with Republican positions on these gender issues.
She finally left when she could no longer convince anybody that building chintzy occasional tables, lazy susans, and recipe boxes out of pretty scraps was really an exercise in fine art.
Don't hold back Boss, tell us how you really feel.Tom
Douglasville, GA
I checked the last 50 threads in the 'gallery' - - don't see any from you - do you have a link to your work?
Nahh, David I never build anything worth looking at.
Is Steve Schefer back among us?
Alan
Cheap shot to say nothing of being untrue.
Edited 10/27/2003 9:02:57 PM ET by MikeE
I've never met a woodworker so pleased with their own relatively mediocre work as Splintie. I've been on this board almost since day one. She could go on an incredible harangue about the inferiority of building significant reproductions and in the same breath post of picture of a damned lazy susan made from three or four species of wood - craft show crap. She has offended the likes of Lonnie Bird, Peter Turner, Mike Dunbar, et al. I don't begrudge anybody a way of making a living, but trust me, it's more difficult to build a Federal Secretary than a cocktail table, a lazy susan, or a recipe box.
If you like her brand of work that's your business. I think she's an idiot. I'm far from the only person who got sick of her crap. Far from the only one.
...trust me, it's more difficult to build a Federal Secretary than a...
no, sorry, trust is earned - why don't you show us? - - it's easy to be a critic and you generally just cut and paste others criticisms rather than making the effort to type your own thoughts - Splintie has laid her work out for all to pick at - - demonstrate you're not a hack (or even that you have an enthusiasm for wood) and you'll have some credibility...
If you've read the mag... you've seen my work.
You've been around here a while David, you've seen the debates I've had with Splintie. None of this is new and you know it.
Frankly, I don't care if you could build a decent doghouse. However, I would care if you posted your doghouse and said it was an original work of art but Mr X's exquisite Federal reproduction wasn't.
I don't need to be 'credible'. You don't need to be 'credible.' You're free to ignore anything that I say and write me off as a total fraud. When I walk into my shop, or deliver a piece to a customer do you honestly think that I ruminate on boosting my credibility on the FW forum?
I marvel at how egalitarian a forum like this is. If I posted a series of pictures and you all of a sudden thought I was a real genius, a really gifted woodworker then what does that do for the forum? Should I hold court every afternoon at five while a bunch of hangers on await every word with bated breath? Should I deliver woodworking revelations from on high? I've learned a few things from people on this forum who are self-proclaimed beginners. I'd have been a fool to ignore them because they don't have 'credibility.' I learned a new technique the other day that my shop helper figured out. He's been building furniture for less than a year. What about his 'credibility'?
I don't like Splintie and I've said why. Tough #### if it bothers you.
Edited 10/30/2003 1:53:22 PM ET by BossCrunk
well said.
Thanks.
Gone but not forgotten, it would seem. No such thing as bad publicity, eh? Thanks to A. who emailed me this link to accompany my morning coffee.
Boss, you really ought to consider a vegetarian diet; all that red meat is backing up your plumbing, meaning that pain in your ash is not my fault after all. For the record, i have nothing against Federal secretaries, file clerks, or even mail carriers, though i'm not real keen on the IRS, i admit.
4333, i've made some changes: sold a couple houses, moved into a new old house, divorced the wrong man, and somehow kept the good one through it all. The "shop" is presently a 7'-tall pile in the new space, 50% larger than the old space and already cramped--it all fluffed as we were trailering it down the road--so no action there for a while. My biggest daily challenges now are on the order of deciding if i want to wrestle 500 pounds of slate into a hearth or attempt to wire a 4-way switch before looking at the diagram. At this point, we're still washing dishes and mixing grout in the [6' Kohler soaker] tub, and running out of clean underwear, but life is very, very good.
I also redirected my political energies and convictions away from butting heads online toward the Howard Dean campaign (anyone want a bumper sticker? a button?), which put me in the way of some interesting folks for my "people" fix i miss from here and affords debate without ridicule.
I don't think i've posted these before...this was about the last commission i did before becoming a house-remodeler again. The fan top (bubinga and wenge) was going into a corner flanked by two mirrors, so in place, it looks like a full-round table. The larger, feather-top table was to hold a Remington bronze , hence the "headress" motif in tiger maple and wenge for the eagle feathers. The interesting part for me was making the curved aprons, since i'd done only a bit of steaming to make curves, though these were laminated of 1/8" BBP with a shop-made veneer.
Hey, Splintie, good to hear from you!!!!! Nice to see those "chintzy" tables are even more glorious than their predecessors, LOL. (Love your work.) Hope you can find time to check in once in awhile -- just ignore the cave-dwellers and rub elbows with us civil members, you'll be fine.
How'z that little drill-press doing, eh?????
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Edited 10/28/2003 5:19:11 PM ET by forestgirl
SPLINTIE: Welcome Home!! see you have been busy.. missed lots of action here in the last few days,must have something to do with the weather or moon phase or tides..anywho think I'll just sit back & watch the fun..
Take Care.. ToolDocProud Member of the Delta & Klein Tradesman Club & Milwaukee HD Club & Knots Bad Boys & Girls Club..
A Non ~ Member of the Knots Bandsaw Guru Club..
Nice stuff as usual...and you still have your spirit!
Keep it up and you will have a finished home and time to create agian.
regards
Bob
Not bad; legs are too clunky on pic 2, but maybe it's the camera angle.
I'll give you this - you've gotten your mileage out of the form, that's for sure.
As you assemble your courtiers, please don't forget David.
Edited 10/28/2003 2:13:30 PM ET by BossCrunk
Something about an successful, intelligent and forthright woman that is too much for you to swallow? Or did you just get stomped in an argument with her and still hold a grudge?
Yes, that's it. You're wonderful, Colleen's wonderful, Clinton is wonderful, Gray Davis is wonderful.......
(psssssttt, snicker, snicker - note to everybody else - just agree with them and they'll usually go away to a Jacques Derrida conference or something like that)
Edited 10/28/2003 5:34:21 PM ET by BossCrunk
Edited 10/28/2003 6:06:01 PM ET by BossCrunk
You seem to enjoy digging yourself deeper and deeper. Depressing, but impressive.
>>"You (Boss) seem to enjoy digging yourself deeper and deeper. Depressing, but impressive."<<
Now wait a minute , Simon. I don't see anything wrong with the Boss expressing his opinion. While I don't particularly like the excessively ornate designs of Chippendale and Sheraton, I do believe they require greater skill and manual dexterity to execute...And I don't particularly like the look of Splintie's modern, high contrast -mixed species designs, but would concede that she executes them very well and they demonstrate more personal creativity than merely parroting the works of the great masters.
Personally, I think both Splintie and the Boss are way off course, in that true beauty rests in pure function...which is perhaps best expressed in the work of the Shakers...But being a true Conservative, I don't believe in absolute subjectives, or in political correctness...so, I'm perfectly willing to leave both of these misquided Knotheads basking in their sublime ignorance. :O)
It's just odd to me how personal Boss seems to make it. It's way beyond style critique.
Comments like those put me off sharing my own work, to say the least - though I don't think at this point it's nearly up to Splintie's standard of work, judging by those two pieces alone.
"Comments like those put me off sharing my own work...." Ahhhhh, therein lies the rub, so-to-speak. Of course, there will be those who'll respond "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen." Hogwash, I say. IMO, these boards should be a place where we can get criticism, positive and negative, that is presented with respect and civility. Can't see any benefit from, or reason for, personal attacks. All they do is drive valuable potential members either into lurker-land or all the way to other forums. They also waste a tremendous amount of energy.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Dear First Lady of the Enchanted kingDom of the Mistical Forest: Damn you stole my Line= if you can't take the heat get out of the Kitchen.. Hog Wash you say.. HMM I guess I got to agree with you on this one also.. but I think both Splintie & Boss sort of in a odd way both enjoy blasting each other ,its there way of sharing or bonding if you will..There both really good friends & might even have a secret affair going on for all we know..LOL.. Hey stranger things than this happen on these forums everyday.. Just look at the bonding between you,SARGE,Dennis & Yours Truly..<G> tell me that aint strange..hehehe...
ToolDocProud Member of the Delta & Klein Tradesman Club & Milwaukee HD Club & Knots Bad Boys & Girls Club..
A Non ~ Member of the Knots Bandsaw Guru Club..
Jon, although I should probably address this to 'ALL', I'm just enjoying the nicely coloured sparks flying about.
A bit of controversy always amuses this sad barsteward, ha, ha. Slainte. Website
>>"Jon, although I should probably address this to 'ALL', I'm just enjoying the nicely coloured sparks flying about."<<
Aw, that's okay, Sgian. You can dump it on me. Everybody else does. :O)
Seriously, what has your knickers in such a twist?
And what does my being wonderful have to do with Splintie, Clinton and Gray Davis, not to mention Jacques Derrida?
We needed Splintie back.
I got Splintie back.
I really do love her. She actually is quite a fascinating creature.
Glad to see you're still around, I don't have anything against reproductions in particular either but it's nice to see someone who actually designs things.
Philip
Splintie,
It's great to see you here again. Your posts are spirited and to the point; and where necessary, are properly vitriolic. Please stop by more often. I miss your contributions.
All: if you read the following, please, please PLEASE, remember I am NOT taking sides.
For David Doud,
You don't need to be able to play like Van Cliburn to know that the piano is out of tune or that the player can't keep time. A critic's "credibility" rests not on his (or her) mastery of the medium. His credibility arises from the contents of his critique. If the critique is founded on proper appreciation, interpretation and application of the relevant standards, goals and technical control of the medium, and that knowledge is cogently expressed, and he does not rely on ad hominem elements, the critic has done all he can and should do to deserve credibility.
Alan
Edited 10/29/2003 10:07:42 PM ET by Alan
Very well said. FWIW, I provided a short critique of one of the pieces (it's above).
I mentioned my shop helper in a post above. I'd like to expand because it builds on the point that you are making, Alan. This fellow is a gifted artist. He has formal training, but has never worked wood to any significant extent. This chap has an incredible eye for proportion, line, color, contrast - you name it. We met by chance at an exhibition that was showing a few of my pieces (the exhibition covered a wide range of media). He stopped by and we had long conversation about the pieces that I had entered in the show and he provided me with one of the best critiques of my work that I had ever heard. Our conversation continued over cocktails with our wives until early that morning. He expressed an interest in furniture making and I BEGGED him to come work in my shop. I see my role as passing along the technical aspects of the craft. There is NO DOUBT my friend will easily surpass my accomplishments. Easily. I trust his artistic judgment implicitly, even if he decided tomorrow to never pick up another woodworking tool.
What I've always been tempted to do when somebody insists on seeing pictures of my work is post a series of reasonably decent shots of an MDF Bombay chest mockup that we did a few years back. The veneer job is actually quite nice, but the piece itself is junk - MDF, panhead screws, pocket joinery in spots, and lotsa glue. It's a mockup, for God's sake. It looks good the way we shot it, but if you saw it in person you would realize exactly what it is. We ultimately did a piece based on the mockup that was a 'back cover' feature by a magazine. Obviously, you know what the point is. No serious critic would ever attempt an in-depth critique of ANYTHING based on a photograph posted on the internet. Certainly, some comments can be made and some people would be responsible enough to understand the inherent limitations of the exercise and respond accordingly. But it's (apparently) low-wattage types like David Doud that make it a relatively unattractive option.
Edited 10/30/2003 2:47:34 PM ET by BossCrunk
<sigh> - miss a day, miss a lot - -
...courtier...low-wattage...
I wouldn't mind hanging out in splintie's court for a while, I'm guessing she knows how to throw a party and have fun -
low-wattage; you're probably correct, look how I spend my limited time - - it is some consolation to think about how effective a small light is in a dark room...
anyway, thanks for the exercise in suffering fools, I'm not exactly glad, but I am smiling - I'll work on being ego-less tomorrow...
Alan, re:criticism - - your points are well made, appropriate and accepted by me - - the borish post 14403.4 that raised my hackles does not qualify and therefor is not protected - to his credit, BC has since demostrated a heretofor unexibited ability to post without using copy/paste and to contribute original thought - this is real growth - - I feel a pride similar to when my children make developmental leaps -
you newbies and lurkers - don't be put off of posting your work - check out the gallery, we are really gentle with each other and you'll likely make new friends, just don't describe your work as art <G>
anyway, looks like splintie is not to be lured back till after the election - - the sparks are less brightly 'coloured' for it - -
Splints,
even though we have our differences Its great to have you here differences in people is what makes the world go 'round But...this Bosswhatever seems like a troll to me.....
Darkworksite4:
Estamos ganando detrás el estado de Calif. Derrotando a un #### a la vez. DESEA VIVO LA REVOLUCIÓN
SplinterGroupie always liked controversy more than glad-handing.
She suffers sycophants even less well than I do.
Okay, here's a critique (from the heart, no BS)...
The fan light table is exquisite. The stock selection leaves absolutely nothing to be desired. The finish is perfect - nicely restrained. I wish I could see the piece in person, the spacing of the sections seems a little generous but I couldn't say for sure without seeing the actual table or perhaps some other shots.
I could easily see this table taking an award or two at a juried exhibition. You appear to be hitting your stride.
The photography is nice, too.
Well, being an EXTREME newbie here, and having never seen any of the majority of y'alls work, I still value the opinions of everyone I've seen posted here. I LOVE splintie's tables, regardless of the fact that they're not to my taste - I'm really more of a "beachy" kinda girl with more whitewashed furniture in my house than anything else. Just finished my FIRST project out of my new shop with my new "old" power tools. It's a child sized aidirondack chair with Bob the Builder's face carved and painted on the back - I diluted the colors of "craft" paint (is using craft paint a sin around here? - just jokin'!!! so you could see the wood grain through (not that it's particularly fine wood - actually yellow pine!) and I was going to post a picture of it but now I'm afraid I'll be exposed as someone who doesn't "fit" in. OKAY - actually, I ain't afraid, especially after reading BossCrunk's last critique. Truthfully, I thoroughly enjoyed the building process, even if the pattern didn't have really "good" instructions, me and sweetie figured it out. We got to work in the shop together and 3yo Hunter, the grandson, got to stand on the steps his PawPaw built for him so he could pull the lever down on the drill press. If this ain't FINE woodworking, I don't know what is. I grew up in a family with 8 kids (4 girls, 4 boys) so I can pretty much handle myself in a good, heated discussion - Just don't like to see them get quite as personal as BossCrunk seemed to be - yeah, it would probably hurt my feelings!
Robin, PawPaw, Hunter, and Molly & Sadie (the Wonder Labs) - see - I don't JUST spend time with the girls!!It's football time in Tennessee! Go Vols!!!!
Hey TN, I'd agree with your "Go Vols!!!...but I'm sure we'd disagree on where. :O)
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By the way, welcome aboard.
Edited 10/29/2003 2:37:26 PM ET by Jon Arno
Okay - I'll bite - you from Alabama???It's football time in Tennessee! Go Vols!!!!
I'm sorry to interject, but Jon is from the snowy north. I, however, am from Alabama. We had a close game this year. Next time, we will prevail. ROLL TIDE!
No, TN, both the wife and I are Michigan Grads. We've got one of the best groups of talented athletes we've had since we won the national championship in '97...if we could just train them to play like a team. We've lost two close ones already, so we're out of the National running, but still have a shot at the Big Ten title.
we'll probably end up in some "off Broadway" bowl again this year, beating up on one of those Red Neck, Deep South teams. Ho Hum. :O)
Bring it on, you denizens of the blighted, industrial rust belt! It's kind of fun to see the team with the world's ugliest helmets show up occasionally.
By the way, ROBANDJO, there is one team that is still undefeated in the SEC West, with a nice win over Bama and a Heisman candidate to boot. Wonder which one it is?
Ed
I must confess ignorance when it comes to sports. A more interesting thought, however, is- do ya think ALL them Yankees are busy gawkin' at them "Yankee Lights"(aka- Northern Lights) tonight??
They probably have to pay some more taxes and then check with the union to see if it's okay, but yeah, they're probably out there watching and stuffing their faces with Bratwurst. I like your quotes in the cafe. Later. Ed
Not a chance, Rob. This is southern Michigan. We don't even get to see the sun but once or twice a month. The Cloud cover is so heavy off to the north tonight, they could drop a nuke just over on the other side of the hill and I wouldn't even know it happened unless the ground shook.
"The Cloud cover is so heavy off to the north tonight, they could drop a nuke just over on the other side of the hill and I wouldn't even know it happened unless the ground shook."
Now there's an experiment it would be worth making - just in the interest of liberal science, of course.
Oh, he is so clever! :0)forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Boss, are you really Charles?
Take comfort in the knowledge that not everyone can afford the costs associated with your sort of work. Let's face it, it costs a ton to produce elaborate furniture. There will always be a market for Flash and Cash furniture that has simple lines, stuff that is quickly manufactured and if the Gods are kind there will always be a market for the obscenely priced stuff you and I make.
Lee
What's in a name, Lee?
As I've said before, in years past, when I studied the business of custom woodworking I figured that there were two ways to go - the 'bulk' stuff like kitchen cabinets, bookcases, etc. or the very high end. Now, I'm not an elitist (well, maybe...) I just did not see a way to make a living with the middle ground stuff like Shaker, American country, and small (but perhaps well executed) craft stuff.
I'd do Shaker in a heartbeat for an existing customer, or if for some crazy reason I got a real live wire. That stuff is too easy to knock out with power equipment for me to get the kind of margin that I want to get. There seem to be a lot of people doing it. At the high-end of Shaker - seating projects mostly, there's some money to be made but the cabinet/cupboard stuff net really tight margins in most areas from what I hear. Phew, that was a long, rambling sentence.
I hear ya talking ,
lets see some of your work. we know whats splints can do
Darkworksite4:
Estamos ganando detrás el estado de Calif. Derrotando a un #### a la vez. DESEA VIVO LA REVOLUCIÓN
Cross Punk (darn the dyslexia again!) doesn't show his own work. Like Bill Clinton's moral code and Michael Jackson's masculinity, it's complicated and basically just understood to exist,....
(Darn it! Was that out loud?)
And before you even ask, Boss, I don't have any Federal pieces of my own to show - I've basically got my outdoor swings, adirondack chairs, workbench, and well,...I could show you my eleven tool boxes (I'm going to have to say I never met a toolbox design I didn't like). If I showed you one per week, that should get us through the Holiday season from here. He he,....I'm one of those people that thinks that "Fine Woodworking" is a state of mind, not a complicated style, and that gratuitous put-downs of others eventually gets you run,....
Ed
Huh?
Can you read?
Yeah I read what you said - I just didn't think it was very sincere and the extreme snobbery of it drew a reaction.
I think its great that you can execute high-end furniture and furniture-as-art stuff. But I don't think you get any kind of woodworking merit badge for it and I don't think you should discourage others from showing their work or expressing their opinions. Woodworking is an egalitarian enterprise, wide enough to accomodate a wide range of interests and skill levels. If the magazine "Fine Woodworking" catered exclusively to high-end, furniture-as-art people like you their circulation would probably fall to less than 20,000 and they would lose mega advertising dollars and lose out to a megazine like "Popular Woodworking," which claims a circulaiton of 200,000 according to Writer's Market Online 2004. So they don't. They cover a wide range of interests and skill levels. There's no hierarchy of woodworking rank with the professional, high-end furniture-as-art folks at the top. Articles like the one by Mike Dunbar in Oct 2003 cater to people like me. I built two sailboats in the early 90s so I know how to use the machines - I am interested in the handtools. Also I am a certifiable "tool freak" to use a phrase that Sgian coined. But I would never, never sneer at someone else's work, questions, skill level or interests in woodworking as you seem to do.
And lest you think I want to be part of the little Splinte coterie, nothing could be further from the truth. I am at the opposite end of the political spectrum as her - she sort of takes liberalism to new levels - I didn't think you could be as liberal as her unless you were French, or possibly, Canadian,....I bet she's got a little statue of Karl Marx on one of those occasional tables.
But I wouldn't sneer at her work.
Ed
Is this tread about Splinie or Splintie's designs?
If it's about the designs she employs BossCrunk is right about an awful lot of them, they are bad designs from a structual point of view. You cannot take many species of wood and glue them side by side making a table top and expect that top to look decent in twenty years. It's great stuff for the crafts fairs but it is definitely not serious woodworking. It's Flash and Cash stuff that WOWS, then falls apart.
On a personal note, I've had my battles with Splintie. She has been banned from time to time from Breaktime, Cook's Talk, and I think even the Gardening forum for being a troll. I know she has her groupies, I don't know why, but don't confuse her designs with serious woodworking and don't overlook the fact that she has been banned from other forums for periods of time for being a troll.
Now, I'm probably going to regret posting this but I've got some design time on my hands so I'm near the computer for the weekend. If you need an effigy of me just use a picture of Fabio from 15 years ago, we're like twins.
Lee
Lee
I partially agree with you. Like I said Splints and I have are differences but thats what lifes all about. But as far as her work goes, Its the craft fair variety. She isnt IMO in the business to be the next Sam Maloof or have her works indure for generations ,she just wants to make a living from her crafts.
BTW...good to have you back Lee, I glad to see some of the old times coming back..I was getting lonely...:>)
Darkworksite4:
Estamos ganando detrás el estado de Calif. Derrotando a un #### a la vez. DESEA VIVO LA REVOLUCIÓN
Ahhh, I never really went away, Ron, I just fell silent. I'm cycling in out out of drivelling in the forums.
As far as Splintie's designs...there's nothing wrong with her making the stuff and selling it. What troubles me is when that sort of work is held up as any sort of ideal in a woodworking arena. It troubles me that buyers pay what they consider to be good money for a piece that will fail. It does reflect to a small degree on woodworkers in general and I hate to see any potential client have a bad experience with a "custom" built piece. Works that fail are solely responsible for the axiom "They just don't build them like they used to...".
There are still woodworkers out here building them "like they used to" and structual integrity is a difficult concept to explain to a client that has no real understanding of wood dynamics. However, when a person buys a piece that fails it's possible that another client was lost to good woodworkers.
I have been involved in educating clients and potential clients for years and years and one bad experience with a piece that falls apart will often destroy a new market for woodworkers.
On the other hand, I'm too serious about this stuff.
Lee
Lee,
My post to Boss Crunk developed over the course of a couple months based on many of his posts. Sorry to be a troll myself, but hey, it is halloween!
I have a serious question, though. When you're laminating a table top like that aren't the joints supposed to be stronger than the wood itself if you use a decent adhesive, scour the oily heavy woods with a drier, use good glue-up techniques, etc. This is the first I've heard about stuff like that falling apart, but then again I've never bought it - the only thing I have like that is a tray made from a bunch of laminated Australian woods. Suppose I want to make a chessboard someday? Don't want the thing falling apart.
Ed
Ed, the glue manufacturers are anxious to tell us the glue is stronger than the wood. In initial strength it is. However, it fails before the wood does. Wood moves, it moves for at least a hundred years. I've never qunatified it but conservators and other woodworkers involved with truely old furniture think wood moves less as it ages. One Czech I worked with briefly said a hundred years...who knows?
At any rate, glue will not stop wood movement. When you glue edge to edge that joint will fail, not today or tomorrow but it will fail. The best technique involves selecting the same grain pattern on matching edges with similar numbers of growth rings. failing to do this will shorten the life of a joint. Each piece will move differently and the glue will fail. PVA, hide, urea, epoxy, it does not matter, the glue will fail eventually. Before you think me nuts I'll confess to rarely paying this much attention to this detail.
The problem is bad enough working with all one species. It's greatly worsened when you start mixing species. Dissimilar species move at different rates as humidity changes and glue will not prevent this, the constant movement will tear apart the joint.
Remember, though, Ed, my standards are the highest there are, I compare all woodwork to the greatest ever done. Not everyone does this and if fifteen or twenty years is adequate grounds for success you can pitch my opinions right out the window.
I have this perverse notion that the best science should be applied even though compromise is a given, I've seen many compromises in the old pieces I've worked on throughout my time. But, one should be aware of when one is compromising. That's one of the things that troubles me about designs like Splinties being held up as any sort of ideal.
Lee
Thanks Lee. That's kind of what I thought. I admit that accounting for wood movement is a weak area for me. Good luck with your work. Ed
Okay - this post is probably going to max out soon but I feel compelled to add this. I subscribed to Fine Woodworking and found this website based solely on the fact that when I got my "deal" on the workshop full of power tools, the elderly gentleman I bought them from gave me his collection of FWW. In addition to this, he had any number of catalogs, as well as other magazines that had a good bit of what I consider "crafty" type stuff - none of which I would even begin to compare with the two examples of Splintie's work (irregardless of her political leanings/and I too count myself among the liberals but not an extremist). I was intrigued by what I saw in FWW - most of the stuff in the "craft" publications are things I feel like I could do on my own, often sans plans even. i come to this forum, not for someone to critique my work, but for answers/input to questions that oftentimes are not unique to "finewoodworking" or "craft" - just woodworking stuff. To be honest, in the 6 or so months I've been "lurking" around I haven't seen much of anyone's work - 'cept maybe that FINE workbench I'm lusting after that Sarge built (or was it ToolDoc?) - darn it - sometimes they seem to be interchangeable BUT that's only because in "tone" on this forum they seem to be such nice-amiable-easy to "be around" kinda guys. I don't think I could say that about BC but then I don't think he's as frequent a poster. Anyway, if Splintie's here to get a rise out of someone, she's gotten it so she should be happy. And it could also be that if after posting some of her work she got some "mean-spirited" critiquing - maybe she just responded the way "she" responds. Either way, to me the issue is that anyone (whether they are capable of biting-back or not) should be able to contribute, post their work, etc. without being attacked. And yeah, maybe BossCrunk has been attacked a little in this line. Truth is, we all have a little of it in us if someone draws it out of us. Happy Halloween - maybe a little haunting is what we need.
Robin, Molly & Sadie (the Wonder labs) "And boy do we wonder what this is all about?"It's football time in Tennessee! Go Vols!!!!
You make some good points. There is a great deal of history associated with Splintie that you would be unaware of as a relative newcomer. All of that aside, I would never want to discourage anyone from posting pics of their work and I hope my words will not lead to that end.
TN-Labgirl, you talk of a significant difference between the "other' woodworking magazines and FWW. Yet, I would respectively submit that it's that very difference you seem to not like in this context. Bad engineering is bad engineering no matter how pretty it is and you appear to be faulting BC and myself for pointing that out. Perhaps BC and I are a bit harsh towards Splintie but, again, these is a history there.
I can think of no one here that would intentionally set out to build a poorly engineered piece of furniture. I'd like to think that people come here to learn, in fact, several months ago it was specifically requested that the Gallery become more of a critiques section just so people could learn. I was harsh in my posts above and in the future I'll couch my my posts in more gentle terms.
As for BossCrunk, he's a condescending, politiically inept, tactless ####. But he knows woodworking, he knows furniture and he knows more than most here and I'd love to buy him a round of beer or three because of my respect for his knowledge.
If you'd like to view a bit of my work go here... http://www.furniturecarver.com or google using my name.
I'll welcome any critiques.
Lee
Honey: it was good old SARGE that built that fine workbench that you Lust for.. how you confuse him & myself I'll never know..IM the Better looking one..LMAO..
as to us being fun loving & Easy to be around..your darn tootin..just becareful when your round us when were downing a few brewskies as we might flirt with ya..hehehe.. plz don't tell our wives..lol...but of course we don't flirt with our real sweetie here=Jamie cause we know she would knock us senseless..LOL..
Take Care.. ToolDocProud Member of the Delta & Klein Tradesman Club & Milwaukee HD Club & Knots Bad Boys & Girls Club..
A Non ~ Member of the Knots Bandsaw Guru Club..
LG
Doc says he's the better-looking one. If you have the opportunity to ask, see if he was reffering to "with his toupee and false teeth" or without. You might remind him to be sure to pick up some Efferdent for those teeth also. His memory is not as good as it used to be. ha..ha..
Regards...
sarge..jt
SARGE: Dear old Buddy you are correct I have CRS = Can't remember Sh-t..<G>
ToolDocProud Member of the Delta & Klein Tradesman Club & Milwaukee HD Club & Knots Bad Boys & Girls Club..
A Non ~ Member of the Knots Bandsaw Guru Club..
Parting glass, as the Irish say:
As to style, we once had a debate on the merits of Jane Austen v. Jerzy Kosinski's novels in the Cafe. I stated i didn't enjoy novels filled with mannerisms; similarly, i don't prefer to own or make furniture filled with predictable carving and covered in exotic veneers, though i may ooh/awe at the craftsmanship. (I once reparied a solid walnut desk chair veneered in walnut--that was just dumb, IMO.)
My favorite furniture is not even my own, but those form-over-function Art Deco graphics-for-graphics'-sake designs with the outrageous handles--i'm a shameless groupie for Bakelite--or those libidinous carvings of the Art Nouveau era. That ball-and-claw and stringing stuff makes me yawn, but if someone else likes it, i'm glad someone other than me is still making it for those who, for whatever reason, can't get an original. As Max Beerbohm adroitly remarked, "People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they like."
Are either failures? I made a living at woodworking based in a very depressed State, developed an enormous circle of friends across the nation doing art fairs, invested the winnings well in real estate, and now i've virtually retired at the age of 47 to do what i want to do the rest of my life, all without having had a spouse as an unpaid helper or adding a paycheck. If you call that failure, i quote Liberace, who said his critics hurt his feelings so badly, he cried all the way to the bank. I've also never set myself up--as some will--of being God's gift to cellulose, so it must furnish scant pleasure to throw stones at a straw [wo]man of one's own construction. More of you should accompany Charles to the salad bar.
As to wood movement, i hate to disappoint, Lee, but i've seen my work from 20+ years ago still in existence in its original form and those people are still ordering further work from me, despite your predictions of disaster for my engineering. There is much, MUCH more to successful joinery than matching wood species, and veneer work is not the only way to accomplish it. Indeed, if a person were to be so scrupulous about matching wood movement as you suggest, the mortice and tenon joint would have--literally--fallen by the wayside some time ago, the miter would be hearalded as the mainstay of joinery, and MDF would be preferred over plywood for decking. I've experienced much more wood movement laminating air-dried wood to kiln-dried wood than i've ever experienced laminating various species of kiln-dried wood, your argument is incomplete enough to be false.
As to your glue argument, without a long discussion of the types of glues and their applications vis-a-vis varous joints, a simplistic statement about glue manufacturers' claims is again of relatively little use.
There are several factors i consider in the design phase, and i clearly accept some trade-offs to make the visual impact that i wish. Longevity is not a measure of art, an argument which both Lee and Stanford are inadvertently, perhaps unconsciously, trying to make. If that were true, Stradivarius' reputation would have collapsed after the first fiddle repair was made and "Fine Fiberglassing" would have a button up there.
Jamie (et alia), you bring up the kitchen analogy about standing the heat or getting out, but i would ask why one finds oneself in the kitchen in the first place. You leave the impression you want only oatmeal cookies to come out of the oven, whereas i like some spicy red beans and rice, too. However, a lot here looks like Fear Factor, where people eat garbage just to prove they can stand being grossed out. I certainly miss many of the people here with whom i don't actively correspond otherwise, but not being witness to random brutality is worth the loss.
(The drill press resides stuffed inside the drum sander at this point, i believe. The only tool i've dug out is the band saw to cut some slate, which can oddly enough be done with a dull wood blade. Which reminds me...much happiness to you in your marriage! <G>)
Thanks to all who either get me and my work, don't mind us, or can't be bothered to diss us. Now, carry on with something important, like which table saw...
Splintie, just to be clear, I said "Some would say...." -- I was not part of the "Some." Was just anticipating their response.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I'm declining a conversation with you.
Lee
but don't confuse her designs with serious woodworking
Just an observation -- I guess the persons that purchased/commissioned/paid her work didn't want a federal style secretary to put their Remington bronze on.Gretchen
Gretchen, I was not clear and I'm sorry.
I should have said that Splintie does not do those designs properly. I've nothing against the designs in and of themselves. The problem is the structure. I'm remembering a table I believe was called the Navajo table. That design was a vast number of varying woods glued up in a herringbone pattern. The design was o-kay, but the engineering was terribly off base. The only way to properly excecute that design is with veneers. Wood movement will tear that table apart, period. Veneer has not the mass to exert itself against a sound substrate so doing that design in veneer is the only good way to do it.
There are a multitude of designs and frankly I have nothing against any of them as long as they are properly done. There is a great deal of science out there on good woodworking technique, one should not ignore it.
Virtually any design, Gretchen, can be properly built. But, virtually any design can be inproperly built, too. Don't think I'm against Splities designs even though I may have used that term loosely and mislead you. I'm not. I'm just dead set against bad engineering and I should have made that distinction clearer.
Even Wendall Castle bombed big time, hah, ha, ha.. I'm thinking back to his stacked plywood phase. I'm still laughing about that one...talk about Flash and Cash...Hah, hah, ha...
Lee
Edited 10/31/2003 11:43:07 AM ET by Lee_Grindinger
Thanks for keeping the love-fest in perspective.
She was banned for a time from the Gardening Forum and the Cooking Forum? Good Lord. I would love to know what gardeners argue about. I guess I need to drop by that forum more often
Edited 10/31/2003 7:29:31 PM ET by BossCrunk
Well, I don't have to baby you, BossCrunk. You and I have gone a few rounds in the past but we share a love of great furniture and great woodworking.
Truthfully, though, I'm not entirely convinced you're a woodworker. I could believe a restoration specialist, a curator, a taxonomist, an antiques dealer with a basement shop or perhaps a vocational instructor. I would never expect you to enlighten me so don't worry about pressure.
For those interested I have done an exhaustive search and through a private investigator have come up with one of the few works attributed to BossCrunk.
Here it is.
Lee
Priceless. Now, I'm going to go wreak havoc on the gardeners...
You and I have sparred a bit; I instantly appreciated your ability when I read your article(s) in the printed mag. It's true, anybody can be whomever they please on a forum. The anonymity is just too fun for me. I'm the antithesis of the stereotypical loving, supportive craftsman. I'm high-strung, judgemental, crass, and condescending.
Edited 11/1/2003 9:52:13 AM ET by BossCrunk
"I'm high-strung, judgemental, crass, and condescending." Is that all you've got, Boss? I have all those favourable characteristics, plus I'm opinionated, loud mouthed, incorrigible and stubborn, to name a few more.
I think the table attributed to you by Lee masterfully illustrates the resolution that can be found in solving the disparate needs of design, form and function---- and it looked, to this sad old hacker anyway, to be executed with brilliant economy and brio to boot.
This thread has been fun to lurk in, and I seem to be lurking more nowadays than I used to, ha, ha. Slainte.
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Sgain
I wouldn't be so hasty as to give Boss credit for the table. I will point out that I cannot be absolutely sure without seeing the stamp underneath the leg, but it appears to be the first work-bench I built back in 1973. It came up missing from my 100 sq. ft. shop and hasn't been accounted for since. Granted, the joinery has been re-inforced a bit; but that could have been done for cover-up. My other design trade-marks are there though, which arouses suspicion.
If it is, I'm not so upset about the bench. That can be replaced. I would like to have the "Big-Lots" clamp-on vise back though. I have never gotten over the loss of the vise. I wake up each morning after having night-mares about it with the same question, "Where is my vise?"
I just hope I'm wrong!!
Where's Home-land Security when you need them???...
sarge..jt
P.S. ha..ha...... ha.. ha...
Edited 11/1/2003 11:25:07 AM ET by SARGE
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Edited 11/1/2003 1:12:08 PM ET by SARGE
What is this?... a freakin' confessional??
What can gardeners argue about, Jon?
To spray or not to spray, killing lettuce in cold blood, are turnips intelligent, raised beds, queen size or king, do carrots feel pain, exactly what is a weed, how many grasshoppers are too many, does washing them down with beer help, aphid..friend or foe, Oh, man, the list goes on and on...
Hey Boss, I'm living proof that Taunton will let anyone write for them, Jon was my inspiration, Hah, hah, ha...
Lee
>>"... do carrots feel pain..."<<
Like you say, Lee...Taunton will let anybody write for them. Even a Liberal.
Confessional, Lee?
I like my carrots to be grown with lots of fertiliser, plenty of chemicals to keep off the bugs, and finally uprooted, their heads lopped off with a sharp knife, placed in boiling water for a while to reinforce the death thing, followed by a good mashing just to make good and sure that all life is expunged prior to eating them.
A bit of violence in the garden is mostly a good thing, especially when it come to those sneaky and unobtrusive plants. I've read The Day of the Triffids, and seen the TV series, so I'm well aware of how dangerous plants can be. Slainte.Website
Watch it, Sgian, the P.A.V.E. (People Against Vegetable Eating) will come bang on your door.
P.A.V.E. believe it's wrong to kill plants in our own self interest. They are opposed to the merciless killing that goes on in the fields now. They feel that it's wrong to kill, however they are not opposed to selective harvesting if it does not kill the plant. Certified vegetables, those harvested in a kindly manner, will soon be available from plants like potatoes, brussles sprouts, beans and corn. Soon vegetables that are killed during harvest will no longer be available. Included are carrots, beets, radishes and such. Those vegetables that are selectively harvested will need anesthesia before the pain is inflicted, salve will be applied to the wounds and support groups and counseling sessions will be furnished to help the harvesters deal with the guilt. It's all in the interest of us becoming a more loving species.
Fortunately for us barley and hops will still be classified as harvestable but I hold out little hope once P.A.V.E. discovers what it is we do with these.
There is also research being done to assess the nutritional value of gravel and if, in fact, gravel feels pain. P.A.V.E. feels gravel may very well be the ultimate food source.
Lee
Rabbit food and modern art being critiqued by a drunk Scot and a crippled Mountainman...I should have done something entertaining this weekend, like paint the garage.
Well Jon, ole buddy, if infirmity is cause for issues here we'd better hobble on down the road together.
A drunk Scot, a sober midwesterner that can't take a dump, a crippled mountain man...What a crowd!
I think I'll get drunk... I'm never tempted to paint when drunk.
Lee
How can you smell my breathe from four thousand miles away, Jon, ha, ha-- ha, ha, ha.
I used up too many hifalutin words in my last post, and I've none left. I think I need a drink. Lee, are you thirsty yet? Fancy a sleazy joint for a beer or six? Slainte.Website
Hey, shouldn't you be in bed! You've got a room full of expectant students to confront in the morning and they will have sharp things in their anxious hands.
I'm thinking you're either seven of eight hours ahead of me. Are you on London time?
Now, get to bed, the UK kids need you.
Yup, I'm thirsty, but I'm taking care of it...
Lee
Nah, Lee, it's only just past midnight here, and I'm a night owl anyway. The night is young. Slainte.Website
How's the new job?
Lee
Different, Lee. Setting and supervising projects for the purpose of education is a bit odd when you're used to devising solutions for money paying customers. The success of the former is judged by awarding grades, whereas the latter results in getting a cheque for a big wedge of dosh-- if you've done your job right of course. Slainte.Website
Yeah, think back to when you were in academia, it's like riding a bicycle...heh, he, he
Is there a lot of pressure to award grades or can you be honest and flunk a bad student? As you know, in this country we send the dumb kids to trade schools...people wonder why they can't find a decent plumber.
Lee
I've had no pressure to award undeservedly favourable grades. An honest assessment seems to be required. After all, what's the point in telling a student that the work is better than it is? In the end, they'll go out into industry, and if their work isn't good enough they'll get fired for incompetence, yet they've seemed to be a star at college. What good does that do to the reputation of the college for turning out skilled and knowledgeable craftspeople? None that I can see.
But then my background is as a hardnosed businessman at the coal-face so to speak, where fudge and incompetence is rooted out very quickly. I don't see the need to change the habits of a lifetime on that score. Slainte.Website
That's as it should be.
What's the age of your students? How many? What level?
It's a pity this country can't give more respect to tradesmen.
Why doesn't the UK have the hobbyist level that we see in this country?
Sliante, Sgian,
Lee
Between about the ages of 16 and 40. At the lower levels the grade is about equivalent to US graduation. At the upper level about the same as as US Associate degree. They can go on to university to get a degree if they wish, and their grades are good enough.
Tradesmen aren't too highly regarded here either. All the respect goes to the parasitic types that produce nothing tangible-- lawyers, IT professionals, money men, insurance, that kind of thing.
There's something of a lack of space here which maybe discourages hobby level woodworking, but it does go on. Also tools tend to be more expensive than in the US which also may put potential amateurs off. Slainte.Website
Is everyone in your class because they want to be? Is there a system that assigns them to making sawdust or is it purely elective. are you stuck with people who don't really want to be there?
I had an Irishman working for me for a bit, he signed up for a vocational program to become a woodworker, "joiner", I think, at around 13 years old, his options were pretty few when you get right down to it.
Lee
Certainly at the higher levels the students are mostly there out of choice. It's a big commitment, especially for the older students with family and mortgages to consider. Others already have degrees in various subjects from art, to history, etc..
I think some of the younger students might be less academically inclined, but even at that age I notice that many are very bright and committed to the subject, and some progress through the lower levels to the upper level, which means four years of study-- and as I mentioned before, thay can move onto a degree at university, which adds at least one more year, perhaps two. So some might study furniture as their specialist subject for six years before venturing out into industry. Slainte.Website
So, are they into it to build and develop their own line of horsesh*t like we are...or are they into it to just have jobs and build whatever comes out of the office?
It's the artsy-fartsy stuff that drives me...cripes, if I were stuck in a shop building whatever oozed out from under the designer's door I'd bail out of this trade in a minute.
Lee
The course is craft orientated, rather than 3D design or industrial design orientated, Lee. They are there to learn making and develop design skills, so primarily they are aiming to be designer/craftspeople. But there's no reason that they couldn't use the grounding to go into all sorts of allied areas. Slainte. Website
"The course is craft orientated, rather than 3D design or industrial design orientated, Lee. They are there to learn making and develop design skills, so primarily they are aiming to be designer/craftspeople. But there's no reason that they couldn't use the grounding to go into all sorts of allied areas"
I don't know what that means, Sgian... are they entering woodworking as a profession, or arteests, or as a basis to head on through to become joiners (or whatever)? Why are they there?
Is it time to say good night to you?
No matter, it's good to talk to you...
At what level are you teaching? is this an introductory course? midlevel?
Lee
It means that they get their grounding in craft furniture making-- the traditions, the history, the use of planes and machine planers, and handsaws and table saws, etc.. If they have a particular interest in carving they are not discouraged from pursuing it. If their interest is more the sculptural aspect of woodworking, that's not discouraged either. There are ancillary studies too, such as IT, CAD, drafting, sketching, essays to produce, etc..
The purpose of the course is to train people with furniture design and making skills and knowledge, with wood as the primary, but not the only medium. Some students just might go on to be makers at a bench and be perfectly happy to do that for the rest of their lives, but I don't see the purpose of the course as being to turn out factory fodder. The intent (as I see it) is turn out people with enquiring minds that don't mould easily into being worker drones.
From my limited experience, I'd say we turn out people that generally don't make good unquestioning employees in a mass production environment, but we do turn out people that can become designer/craftspeople, or inventive and creative types that can hold their own in the arts/crafts line, etc... Their furniture background is always there, even if its not what the student eventually goes on to do. Slainte.
PS. It is now time for me to hit the hay, so any further correspondence will have to go on at another time.
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Have you compared the prices of tools, etc?
Scrit (in the UK)
Nope, Scrit, never have...however I do own tools made in your neck of the woods. Record, Lamp, Sandvik, Marples, to name a few. They are competitive with American made tools. I know machinery is more expensive hence the popularity of combination machines.
One of the rationalizations used on this side of the pond is "I can save money if I build it myself". It's very often true, especially if time in the shop negates the need for shrinks. Hah, ha.
I suppose it could be argued the market is more controlled in Europe and the UK so the tradesmen's unions would have more control over the marketplace. You think it's possible?
Scrit, are you an amateur, or professional?
Lee
Lee
I don't know about the trades unions exerting any influence in the area of furniture production, as a tradesman my self they seem to have little or no influence at all in that area. One of the biggest problems in Europe is that land is scarce, and therefore expensive, so houses tend to be small - and the high land price also affects business costs (rental and land tax or "Inified Business Rates" being based on property value). This means that people have less space available to indulge their hobbies - and less money also (which is why we have so many DIY shows on TV, Norm included) - hence the popularity of combi woodworkers even amongst some professional makers.
And yes, I am a professional woodworker, although in a former life I was a fully paid-up propellor-head (pronounced "computer nerd"). Woodworking is my therapy for too many years of producing absolutely nothing of worth..... ;-)
How about you, Lee, what's your bag?
Scrit
My bag? Making furniture.
Did you just hang out a shingle or did you have to serve an apprenticship?
Lee
5 hours...you must have one foot in the Atlantic.
Lee
The UK is 5 hours ahead of US east coast time-- New York, etc., , and you are two hours behind that in MT, aren't you? I'm surprised my message posted just after midnight in the UK shows up as being posted at just after six, which suggests that Prospero uses Chicago time. Slainte.Website
It's 5:23 PM here.
Lee
Hey, life is good here, Sgian. I'm booked through June with great work. We've begun construction on a new workshop for me and Ruthie and I have decided to stay right here in Montana. You may have caught wind of our moving to the Midwest...that's all over now. We're staying put...things are really good right now. There's still hope for Montana...it seems there's more primary homes being built around here and that's my market.
Lee
You guys are,
"high-strung, judgemental, crass, and condescending, opinionated, loud mouthed, incorrigible and stubborn"
Ohhh, I love that in a man!
Does anyone have a beer belly, smoke a cigar and work in his undershirt?
A girl could get the vapours here! (quickly using my folding fan to dry the beads of "glow" on my brow).
VL
SARGE: Not only has a Huge Beer Belly but also works in his Fruit of the Loom Briefs!! LMAO
EDIT ==>*WARNING* its not a Pretty sight!!
ToolDoc
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Edited 11/1/2003 3:43:28 PM ET by TOOLDOC
Me? Nope, 175 pounds of muscle and sinew - I work ten hours a day and eat one meal a day. You can see every strand of muscle in my body. I freelance as a nude model for figure structure classes.
freelance as a nude model for figure structure classes.
Photos. I need photos!
Sandra,
You know how I hate to see your sensitive, liberal soul disappointed, so I'm going to suggest that whether you're photographing the real person or crass, artistic, high-strung antithesis-boy here, bring a camera with a zoom lens.
Ed
"...bring a camera with a zoom lens." Ohhhhhhhhhh, it's taking every ounce of willpower I have to not take advantage of that "straight line."forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I apologize for my crudity, FG. I've got the typical schoolyard sense of humor and male-pattern sadistic streak. I will say that as ripped as Boss Crunk thinks he is, unless he can bench about three hundred in free weights, it would be good for him to retain his cloak of anonymity if he and I are ever in the same place at the same time. Finding him involved in my beloved hobby of woodworking just kind of gives me a feeling sort of like finding a used car salesman in your backyard.
Last time I was in Atlanta, my girlfriend drug me to the Woodruffe (?) arts center and there was a lot of impressionistic (?) stuff hanging on the walls that looked like the tops of Splintie's tables. You know a bunch of circles and squares and triangles with a titles like "Girl Skipping through a Morning Meadow." You kind of had to imagine it. People seemed to like it. (They didn't have any of the really good art like the portrait of Dale Earnhart with angel wings and a halo). So if Splintie wants to call her work art, I say more power to her. DIdn't see any "exquisite" (notice that that's a word he uses often when talking about wood-art) furniture by Boss Crunk or Charles Stanford, but I did see that table attributed to BC and claimed by Sarge in the foyer-atrium. In an apparant tossing down of the guantlet in the whole form vs. function debate, someone had loded it down with sheafs of pamplets.
So I'm glad to see Splintie around and don't mind looking at her woodwork even though I thought most of her posts were loony and I'm sure she thought mine were the same way.
Have a good week, First Lady of the Forest.
Ed
No apologies required, Ed. I was just dying to make a comment, but felt it better if I didn't, LOL! I'm glad to see Splintie back too. Her absence seemed to come right after all the war discussions. I was so depressed by the whole political scenario that the last thing I wanted was to enter a bar-room brawl here at Knots on that same topic, so I stayed out of the Cafe.
You have a good week too. I've got to dig out my long-johns and turtlenecks -- it's so cold outside. forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
I'm sure if you like her that much she would be more than willing to stay in touch privately and provide you with an ongoing pictorial extravaganza of her latest artistic exploits all the while sparing us from your outbursts of bravado every three months when she decides to grace us with her presence.
Speaking of anonymity... I wonder how many people named Ed live in Mississippi?
I'm think that I'm now in double digits - cretins that is, who've alluded to a physical confrontation based on my little missives posted on this forum. Amazing, simply amazing. I guess I'd better hit the weights, Ed.
Edited 11/2/2003 4:04:52 PM ET by BossCrunk
(Yawn)
My name is Ed Harrison and I live in Meridian, Mississippi.
I'm not trying to impress Splintie. I'm defending anyone's right to post whatever photos of their work that they want and call it art if they want.
Back to the race.
You're even dumber than I thought.
Yeah, sure Mr. Gunk.. But I take comfort in the fact that I'm not afraid to use my own name.
Ed
I'm glad you're comforted by that, I really am. I know your reputation on an internet forum is a precious thing indeed.
Mr. Gunk,
I don't know much about a forum reputation as this is the first and only forum I've ever participated in. Before I retired last year, I spent over 20 years flying helicopters and when I actually had to work I had no time for such silly nonsense.
I will say that I prefer that my reputation not be that of a liar,.....
Well you're the kind of persona / spectral entity it's a pleasure to put on "ignore," which I'm going to do after this post, in order to enjoy this forum. I've said my piece previously - you know where I'm coming from. If we ever meet in person, we can have a discussion. I am finished with the electronic business between us, so please do not try to contact me by any electronic means.
Ed
Edited 11/3/2003 9:38:19 PM ET by Ed from Mississippi
Gees- what have I been missing? Has the woodworkers cafe moved over here??
Splintie who??
PlaneWood by Mike_in_Katy (maker of fine sawdust!)PlaneWood
Welcome to chaos!
Boo - Hoo.
You have a girlfriend, Ed?
Ed's from the South. I'm sure he has MANY girlfriends. You know, we're all polygamists down here!
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You have a girlfriend, Ed?<
I have a different one now than the one I went to Atlanta with, Mark. At this stage in my life, after being married and divorced twice, I change 'em out every six months whether I need to or not. Same program as toothbrushes and backscrubber loofahs.
Ed
I don't think Splinte's table tops look impressionistic. I think they are closer stylistically to Abstract Expressionism. Can you say, "Jackson Pollock"?
Edited 11/4/2003 8:41:56 PM ET by ROBANDJO1
...comparing splintie's work to Pollock's...God, I'm never going to get it, am I?
I need another beer.
Robandjo, my advanced alchololism is because of you!
lee
Edited 11/2/2003 8:01:52 PM ET by Lee_Grindinger
Edited 11/2/2003 8:04:45 PM ET by Lee_Grindinger
and while you are answering questions, where are you teaching? - - my eldest daughter will be studying in ----, come the first of the year - - I imagine we'll visit sometime - February-March - - I'm looking forward to experiencing the crisp, sunny winter weather of the island - keep brewing, it'll make the food seem even better - - regards, DOUD
Edited 11/2/2003 10:16:04 PM ET by David Doud
I'm teaching at a college called Rycotewood. It's part of the Oxford and Cherwell College of FE, which has several campuses around the county.
Bath have a good rugby team who are doing pretty well in the English premier division this season after a few seasons in the doldrums. The Rec, their ground might be worth a visit to pick up a game if you're in the area. Of course, all us rugby nuts have our eyes focused on the World Cup in Oz right now, ha, ha. Slainte. Website
I roomed with a rugby player for a while during college - - truly a breed apart - - can you drink at the match? ha-ha
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I don't think Splinte's table tops look impressionistic. I think they are closer stylistically to Abstract Expression. Can you say, "Jackson Pollock"?<
Not and keep a straight face. But I wish I owned one of his works for an investment!
I will say that as ripped as Boss Crunk thinks he is, unless he can bench about three hundred in free weights, it would be good for him to retain his cloak of anonymity if he and I are ever in the same place at the same time.............. Why? Are you planning on sitting on him if you catch him?
Well I'm not familiar with the latest WWE moves, Canadian martial arts techniques, or even the level of body fat required to reach 300 lbs, so I've got to say I'm not thinking in the same circles as you on this one, Dick.
Besides, how could you ever catch Boss Crunk? He's a fictional character.
What is WWE?
Something to do with wrestling, I thought. Maybe WWF? I don't catch it much anymore. Just yanking your chain, as usual. Back to the pine! and some chisel sharpening.
It was a very unpretentious and uncomplicated piece wasn't it?
Hope your doing well, Richard.
Chas.
Remarkable in its uncomplicated joinery, Boss, and the use of visible reinforcing metal fastenings-- those sheet-rock screws are just so versatile. But the design, well, took my breathe away and wowed me.
I was struck my the photographers understanding of sense, place, and especially scale, in that he or she resolved the disunifying concept of scale by including those items of classic porcelain vessels as a reference against which we could judge. Brilliant. And the plain and uncluttered background provides such a sense of power and suitability for the purpose in the essential meaning and elegance of the piece.
I'm positively moist with excitement for you regardng your future as a leading artist able to thrust the stodgy values of the late twentieth century into the new millenium. It's a shame you are only American. If you were British, you could join the likes of Damien Hirst, Tracy Emin, et al in the pantheon of important and influential YBA's (Young British Artists) This assumes, of course, that the work of art in question is your design as Lee asserts, and not plagiarised? Slainte.. Website
James Joyce has nothing on you Richard.
Fabulous! Can you tell me what kinds of screws were used? Is three per leg enough?
What on Earth are you talking about, Mark?
Lee
The photo of your table.
Hah, hah, ha...sorry Mark, I'm on about my fifth alaskan amber and my peripheral vision gets a bit fuzzy...
I can't remember how many...it's exposed joinery, you know, steel rods and all...quality stuff, that table...
lee
Edited 11/2/2003 7:48:15 PM ET by Lee_Grindinger
The table with the winking cups, I think, Lee. Slainte.Website
>>"Good Lord. I would love to know what gardeners argue about."<<
Boss, from what I can gather, they argue mostly about manure...Just like we do here.
Good one, Jon.
Hah - gardeners argue about the appropriateness of "drowning" moles - and then you get into the whole "PETA", cruelty to animals thing. Believe it or not it can get vicious. Bonsai artists argue over how someone "designed" their tree and whether it really looks like a full-size tree could have grown that way - as if ALL full-size trees grow a certain way regardless of their environment.It's football time in Tennessee! Go Vols!!!!
Lee,
I know I'm over a week late to this discussion ... but in the context of this forum, what is a TROLL ?
Ian
Ian,
Here is some reading for you. you can gather the meaning of the word "in the context of these forums". You'll need to be logged in.
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=19098.33&search=y
http://forums.taunton.com/n/main.asp?webtag=tp-cookstalk&cguid=EFBB1C52-22D3-49CF-829D-55B17DCBE936
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=32601.45&search=y
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=19098.33&search=y
I'd be content to let this thread die.
Lee
Welcome back, Splintie; I love the Federal secr --er, the fan-top table!
". . .and only the stump or fishy part of him remained."
Green Gables: A Contemplative Companion to Fujino Township
SPLINTIE,
I don't even claim to know what "fine art" is but those photos show some pretty darn nice woodworking. M2cnts.
Regards,
Mack
SPLINTIE,
Recent posts concerning you remind me of an old Navy saying; "a letter of reprimand is better than no mail at all". Again, really like the tables!
Mack
Hi
Not having been on this site that long I don't know what all the controversy is all about (I know, sit down son, someone'll fill you in later....). I have to say that I rather like the fan top table. I've been toying with a design of something similar for a client and your image has given me food for thought. I might even modify mine slightly.....
Oh, and for anyone interested, my step mother still has a block laminated fruit bowl (about 20 different species) turned by my late father in the mid-1950s and which now resides in a centrally heated house - and last time I looked it still hadn't shown any signs of joint failure. So matbe there's hope for some of Splintie's stuff after all ;-)
Scrit
100% unreconstructed MCP, oink
Edited 11/2/2003 5:04:20 AM ET by Scrit
Hi splints!
Nice work.
Miss you over on break time.
You must be doing some thing right if your pizzing people off!!
:)Mr T
Do not try this at home!
I am an Experienced Professional!
I can just feel the love...
Lee
sniff......sniff......
Ahhhh....nothing like the smell of testosterone in the morning.....
(I'd address you, but you are not 'boss')
about all I have seen from you is interminal cut and paste from an obscure blog - all I see/hear is another anonomous big mouth - attempts to engage you result in obfuscation - 14403.18 is the closest to a real 'work' you have offered, I'd encourage you to continue - -
It tells a lot about you that Splintie's perception of her work bothers you so much that you are compelled to kick to the groin reflexily (and I do not disagree with you on the hierachical position of her work) - -
you tangle with Splintie all you want, keep cut and pasteing, I'll keep skimming - - I just bless you with the knowledge of how you're percieved by me...
Bosschunk,
while you are allowed your opinions, the tone of them suggests that you are a very negative person..
perhaps you weren't aware of it.. if so then I've done you a service.. if you are aware of them, perhaps your mother didn't tell you that,
If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it..
You guys don't get it. But Splintie does.
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