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   IMERC | Sep 19, 2003 03:19am | #1

   I like Bosch and Milwaukee about the same. The 1194 is a looser. Thru mine away 2 days ago. Was drilling 5/16"x3" holes (about 32 of them) crapped after only 10 or 12. This is the 3rd or 4th time this has happened. Twice under warrenty. That series of drills are good as Tapcon runners and that's it.

   Get the 7/8 SDS Bulldog. Bullet proof.

    

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   RW | Sep 19, 2003 03:57am | #2

   Bulldog, or go find a used Hilti TE5. Awesome little workhorse.

   "The child is grown / The dream is gone / And I have become / Comfortably numb "      lyrics by Roger Waters

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   Manchild | Sep 19, 2003 05:39am | #4

   I had a Hilti Te 12. It was a great hammerdrill.

   What I'm looking for now is a drill that can go from hammer/drill to just drill so I can use it for larger dia. metal and wood drilling.

    The 3/8" drill just bogs down in larger/bigger holes/bits.

   I realy don't need a dedicated hammerdrill at this point.

   Once in a while I need to drill 1/2" holes in concrete and once in a while I need to drill bigger dia. holes in wood.

   Right now I have two 3/8" cordless black and decker kodiak drills, a 1/4" Milwaukee, a 3/8" Metablo hammer/drill, and a 3/8" Milwaukee drill.

   I'm not going to use the  bosch all the time. Just once in a while.

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   BOBSKIBBY | Sep 19, 2003 04:04am | #3

   David.

   I highly recomend trying a Metabo 1/2" hammer drill. Not sure of the model number we use in work but it has to be at least 10 years old or more. This thing is fantastic. We have drilled hundreds of various size holes with it and it just keeps on going. Give it a good look. Bob

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   JMartinsky | Sep 19, 2003 02:08pm | #5

   I had PC and Bosch hammerdrills over the years, and have used Hilti & Hitachi. None stood out in my opinion. BUT my Bosch ROTARY HAMMER is just outstanding! Completely different experiance, fast , smooth and QUIET. So I would suggest a rotary hammer, it will save you a ton of time plus your ears.

   Good Luck

   John

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   mitch | Sep 19, 2003 05:50pm | #6

   you need to post this question next door at breaktime-  i think some of those guys sleep with their hammer drills/rotary hammers.  the woodworking crowd is not the best place for info on this type of eqpt.

   m

   btw- i'm a bosch bulldog fan, too, but i don't use one much so my opinion is of limited value.  i also have an older model d-handle bulldog- the one with just hammer drill and drill only modes, no hammer only mode- that i'd sell cheap if you just need an occasional hole drilled.  it looks high mileage but still runs like a top.

   Edited 9/19/2003 10:56:02 AM ET by mitch

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   IMERC | Sep 19, 2003 07:43pm | #7

   Yur not that far off the mark.... ROAR!!!!

   I'm interested. Would you email me with the madel # and denario request. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   mitch | Sep 20, 2003 04:51am | #8

   didn't we recently discover that you have pretty much every tool known to mankind from a flint knife to an electron beam welder?  whatever would you want my old backup beater bosch bulldog for?  oh well, since you asked-  it's a 11212vsr, 4.0 amp, serial #1630007, has the travel limiting dial switch on the trigger to adjust the speed (from verrrrry slow to pretty zippy- don't know actual rpm), missing depth rod.  looks rode hard and put up wet but runs great- may have spent a lot of time bouncing around in a bucket with a bunch of other junk, because it doesn't look like all of the battlescars are from actual use.  i bought it in its present condition about five years ago and have used it only lightly and sporadically since.  if i can't scare up at least $40 + postage i'll probably just keep it for insurance.

   m

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   IMERC | Sep 20, 2003 09:42am | #9

   Got the flint knief and knappers but not the beam welder. Working on it though.

   What I had in mind was a dedicated tapcon driver. Is it the SDS, SDS Plus or hopefully not chucked.

   That one has been superceeded and I didn't find an imediate reference.

   Thanks  - IMERC  

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   JMartinsky | Sep 20, 2003 02:07pm | #10

   I was looking for a used plasma cutter and perhaps a "Carbon Freezer".

   John

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   IMERC | Sep 20, 2003 04:24pm | #11

   No gots. No glory either. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   mitch | Sep 20, 2003 04:27pm | #12

   it accepts current mfr sds+ bits.  i'm relatively new to this type of tools so i'm not familiar with what plain old sds bits are or used to be- particularly as to any interchangeability.  from what i can tell, everything seems to be sds+ nowadays.  i don't believe i've ever seen plain sds bits, for sale or otherwise- or if i have, didn't recognize them as such.

   the 11212 appears to be the more or less immediate forerunner of the 11224 with only three obvious (to me- since i have one of each) differences: new one has a more powerful motor, 6.9a vs. 4.0a; new one has hammer only- no rotation- function; old one has the aforementioned variable speed control by trigger travel limiter- not just by operator finger control.

   how much trouble it would be to make dedicated driver out of it, i can't say.  somebody probably makes an sds+ driver bit of the size and type you need?

   m

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   IMERC | Sep 20, 2003 04:41pm | #13

   There is SDS, SDS+ and SDS max.

   Like I said I just thru away the '94. That was my Tapcon driver.

   You have the "D" handle and 2 model model. You hace any idea the shipping to ZIP 80816.

   Any thing else comming with it besides the drill motor. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   Crunk | Sep 22, 2003 05:04pm | #14

   What kind of fine woodworking are you doing with a hammer drill?

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   Manchild | Sep 22, 2003 06:22pm | #16

   The hammerdrill I'm thinking about buying has a 1/2 " chuck.

   It goes to no hammer mode so I can use it for drilling larger

   dia. holes in wood also.

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   Christian | Sep 22, 2003 11:08pm | #17

   Hi folks,

   I'm not sure what you're discussing about.Are you looking for a hammer drill (like the Bosch 1194 VSR) or a rotary hammer drill (like the Bosch 11234VSR)?

   I have experiences with both types and I can assure you that a rotary hammer drill works a lot better in concrete than a normal hammer drill. The reason is that modern rotary hammer drills use pneumatic technology to produce the beat while hammer drills work with mechanic technology.

   Speaking of rotary hammer drills, there are basically two different chuck systems:- SDS plus (for smaller dia holes up to 26 mm = about 1")- SDS max (for larger holes)

   Simple SDS is no longer made as far as I know, and different systems are hardly ever used, maybe on large demolition hammers mainly from Makita, Hitachi, Kango

   IMO the most versatile tool is a rotary hammer drill with a two speed gear box. They can be used for drilling, hammer drilling and driving.For example:Hilti TE 2M  http://www.us.hilti.com/holus/modules/prcat/prca_navigation.jsp?OID=-12001Metabo UHE 22 Multi Availabel at http://www.primetools.com/metabo/rotary_hammers.html for example.Metabo UHE 28 MultiThe Metabo's are even more useful because they can be used for small chiseling jobs, too. 

   I consider both brands to be excellent quality, Hilti is industrial standard here but I think you'll be more than satisfied with a Metabo as well.

   Personally, I use an (30 year-old) AEG hammer drill, a Kress hammer drill and a Hilti TE 12S (old model too).

   Regards,

   Christian Aufreiter, Austria

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   mudman | Sep 22, 2003 05:51pm | #15

   David,

       I have the bulldog sds from bosch. I have really pushed its envelope and it has never dissapointed me. In fact I have mostly used it for removing tile and chipping concrete, even for hours at a time.

   One the the best tools I have.

   Mike