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   seajai | Feb 04, 2007 03:44am | #1

   Teak or cypress? both woods are used for deck furniture.

   Saftey glasses?......Nah!, I'm wearing saftey contacts
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   nikkiwood | Feb 04, 2007 03:49am | #2

   Straight grain, Douglas fir is the classic choice -- if it is available in your area.

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   John Wooden 1910-

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   foobytor | Feb 04, 2007 04:07am | #3

   how weather resistant is doug fir?

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   nikkiwood | Feb 04, 2007 04:12am | #4

   If painted, it's good.********************************************************
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   John Wooden 1910-

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   tinkerer2 | Feb 04, 2007 07:29am | #5

   How do you rate white oak?

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   foobytor | Feb 04, 2007 08:26am | #6

   i do not know.

   white oak was used for shingles?

   seems kind of heavy to be carrying up ladder w/ double strength glass.

    

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   nikkiwood | Feb 04, 2007 08:35am | #7

   White oak is very weather resistant.I would suggest you go to a good lumber yard and ask them what they recommend. Cypress would be a great choice, but I can't get it around here. What's available depends a lot on where you live.********************************************************
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   John Wooden 1910-

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   DougU | Feb 04, 2007 10:40pm | #14

   Cypress would be a great choice, but I can't get it around here

   That surprises me, we get it on a regular bases and were just a few miles south of you.

   I like it cause its cheaper then cedar and usually you can get fairly knot free wood in pretty good widths and lengths.

   Doug

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   nikkiwood | Feb 05, 2007 01:00am | #15

   This is odd, but I have never seen it at any of the yards in this area.********************************************************
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   John Wooden 1910-

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   DougU | Feb 05, 2007 01:54am | #16

   We get ours from both Jeld-Wen and Liberty.

   I dont think you have Liberty up there but maybe Jeld-Wen (formerly Paxtons).

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   nikkiwood | Feb 05, 2007 02:31am | #17

   Are you talking about cypress stock from which you can make your own windows, etc?I have never seen cypress at any of the big lumber yards up here, but it didn't occur to me that it might be stocked at places that sell mainly doors/windows.Many of the Menards up here carry Jeld-Wen.What am I missing?********************************************************
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   John Wooden 1910-

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   DougU | Feb 06, 2007 03:27am | #19

   Nikki

   No, not at the big box lumber yards.

   Jeld Wen bought out Paxton hardwoods. We buy most of our cabinet ply and hardwoods from them. You used to be able to walk into Paxtons and buy over the counter but every since Jeld Wen bought them you can no longer do that, its strictly comercial acounts.

   Jeld Wen owns several buisnesses and window manufacturing is just one of them.

   The Paxtons down south sold to Hogan Hardwoods but I think they are mainly a southern company, however I could walk into there place and buy over the counter.

   I doubt that your Menards would carry cypress, I know that ours doesnt but I bet you could find some hardwood supplier for a cabinet shop that handles it.  I know of three or four hardwood supply places within 25 miles of me that handle it. I dont think we pay much more for cypress then we do for popular.

   Doug

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   nikkiwood | Feb 06, 2007 03:46am | #20

   Thanks.I'll look harder for it. If you've got it there, I don't see why it would not be available here.********************************************************
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   John Wooden 1910-

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   dondownunder | Feb 04, 2007 08:36am | #8

   We have a ton of indigenous timbers that will stand weathering however they tend to be dense (around white oak & beyond), but the favourite is Western Red Cedar from North America. Must be good if a whole industry here imports it - it is light & although relatively soft will stand up very well in window manufacture.

   Don

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   foobytor | Feb 04, 2007 08:49am | #9

   actually thought about using overflowing pile of profit/salvage.

   assorted mystery wood, pine, fir. redwood.

   5 point field measurements

   buttjoint w/ dominos and tbond III

   one glued bead held w/ss 23 guage pins

   one removable   ditto

   saturated w/ sw duration to semi gloss  inside and out.

   fit dbl strength glass.

   site fit and touchup

   iirc ,$ 3-400, measure and install extra.

   whatdyathink?

   supposedly more energy efficient than replacements

   definitly look more historically correct

    

    

    

    

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   tinkerer2 | Feb 08, 2007 02:53am | #21

   "White oak was used for shingles?"

   Oops, takes a while to catch on what was asked.  White oak was used very extensively for sideing on barns in Eastern US.  Many barns still standing now for over one hundred years were sided with white oak, and still Okay.  I don't know if White Oak was used for shingles. 

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   AlanTurner | Feb 04, 2007 02:54pm | #10

   You might consider mahogany. It holds well to both weather and bugs, and tends to stay straight over time as well. It holds paint nicely, and is not heavy. While not inexpensive, the making of storm windows is no small task, and you probably only want to do it once, which may justify the cost. Your waste factor on mahogany will be somewhat less than on other woods. Good luck.

   Alan

   http://www.alanturnerfurnituremaker.com

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   foobytor | Feb 04, 2007 03:10pm | #11

   thanx all for replies.I definitely need these for my bungalow
   and feel that there is a market for the concept.what do you think about the design.
   i am trying to come up with a simple joint
   for speed and strength and weather resistance.dominoes seem like the strongest and fastest tenon.

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   ChipTam | Feb 04, 2007 05:49pm | #12

   Over the years, I've made hundreds of wood storm windows as a sideline for my cabinetmaking business.  Pine works fine.  Vertical grain douglas fir is also good if you can find it at a reasoanble price.  In this type of veritical application you don't need a super-rot resistant wood.  Kept painted, pine will last many, many years.  I have some original storm windows on my house which date from the 1920's.  In my opinion, cedar and redwood are not stiff enough and some of the other options (mahogany and white oak) just add cost and wieght to an already heavy window.

   Regarding joinery, you can't go wrong with a simple mortise and tenon.

   Chip Tam 

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   upstateBill | Feb 04, 2007 08:31pm | #13

   ChipTam. Do you just use 5/4 clear pine or do you use something thicker?

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   ChipTam | Feb 05, 2007 08:45pm | #18

   Bill,

   I buy 5/4" #3 Pondorosa pine and I buy it wide and long (typically, 12" x 16').  I can do some selecting at the lumber yard I go to.  Since the rails and stiles are usually fairly narrow for the average storm window, I can get quite a few clear pieces out of typical board.  Some pieces (especially longer pieces used for the stiles) will cup and twist when ripped and have to be rejected or cut into smaller pieces for rails.  Still, #3 pine is so much cheaper than select, it makes sense to go this route.  If you can find Eastern white pine that's even better than Pondorosa but we don't get much of it here in the mid-west.

   Chip Tam