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I dunno, that looks like habit. It looks like he's been doing it that way for a long time, and like wired-back skillsaws, for some reason, people seem to get away with crap like that for a lot longer than you would expect.
But I bet he's already taken more than one shot in the stomach...
I think he managed to scare himself -- his hands are shaking at the drill press. What possesses these guys to go on air? You could probably figure out for yourself everything he was "teaching" on your first day in the shop.
Jim
"I think he managed to scare himself -- his hands are shaking at the drill press." Based on something he said in another video, I think the shaking is par. He mentions it in a turning video. Actually, if you watch Norm closely, his hands shake too.
Another reason, IMHO, to use some kind of safety device. Ripping without a guard is one thing, add to that the lack of a splitter and it seems just short of a death wish.
forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
Poor guy, the shaking may be onset parkinsons. I'm no doctor but I've seen enough parkinson's to know that shaking he displays is probably not nervousness.
There are other conditions that cause a similar shaking. Our vet has some tremors, but not Parkinsons, thankfully.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
The only things that make me shake these days are when I forget where I am, an mix the opiates with the speed.Getting old is hell. I NEVER used to get that stuff mixed up.
Amen brother.
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Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.~ Denis Diderot
Hi f-g All that risk for pug ugly flea market craft rubbish.Maybe he just likes his firewood turned before burning.Please don't follow any of his examples in either in practice or style.
So what's the problem -- dust control and guards removed for clarity only. ;-)
Mike Hennessy
Pittsburgh, PA
Everything fits, until you put glue on it.
No problem, fingers to be removed shortly for even more clarity!
Jako
But he still had five when he came to an untimely death due to loss of blood.
Tink
Edited 11/5/2009 7:46 am ET by Tinkerer3
I can't believe he uses a drum sander without any dust collection.
http://www.mvflaim.com
When I was in HS in the forties, someone was sanding with a belt sander most of the time. The air was a cloud. I don't think anyone thought about it being dangerous. I remember the teacher saying something like if anyone is caught using the TS without its guard would be kicked out of the class though. Some times it's what we know or should know. After you see a couple black lungs, it time to change your ways.
I hear ya! I have noticed a tremendous decrease in shop dust ever since I put down the random orbital sander and picked up a plane. I'm sure that guy's tongue and nostrils are caked with saw dust at the end of the day. yummy!
http://www.mvflaim.com
Who wants to make a little bet?I bet that if one of us contacts him, he says "I've been doing this for X number of years, and haven't had an accident yet!"I hereby bet one cookie.
Nope, I won't take the bet, 'cause I've heard that line many, many times. But I also have heard from emergency room doctors who hear the same line from a sawdust veteran just carted in with their finger(s) in a baggie.forestgirl -- you can take the girl out of the forest, but you can't take the forest out of the girl ;-)
someone should sign in onto YouTube and post a video response about table saw safety. Maybe he'll get the hint.
http://www.mvflaim.com
When I was a woodworking instructor, I looked for videos to help support class lessons. Almost every one of them, even the ones on safety, made egregious safety violations. I guess it just goes to show how poorly trained so many woodworkers are. As time passed, I became an instructor for instructors. Again, it was surprising how uniformed the woodworking instructors themselves could be. FWW is just as guilty.
Unguarded saws get used all the time. Until recently, most guards were more of a pain than a safety item. Obviously, no push stick, moving both hands towards the blade and then reaching over the blade while it's still running are big no nos. Standing in the kickback zone, having the blade raised too high and working with stuff sitting on the saw table puts this guys video at the top of the things not to do list. Reverse psychology! Did you watch his eyes? He watches the blade, not the fence. He doesn't have a clue if the board is going sideways during the rip. It does look like it's moving away from the fence at the end of the cut, right when his hands are closest to the blade.
When he goes to the chop saw, he doesn't hold the important piece, the one that is trapped against the stop block and the blade. Probably just as well, since he would probably cross his arms across the blade. The DeWalt has a nice blade guard but if he left the saw down until it stopped, there would be reduced danger of the trapped piece rising up and getting dinged or launched.
I guess it's a good thing some of these folks are woodworkers and not surgeons. Their inability to follow procedures and pay attention to the details wouldn't be good for the patients. You know this guy has watched his own video and apparently didn't realize that his actions totally discredit anything he has to say about woodworking. I watched it with no sound while the game was on. Too bad Norm and the others on TV don't talk about safe procedures other than wearing safety glasses. They don't mention using ones that are ANSI approved and have side shields. Glasses really help when a board slaps you in the face and you slip, shoving your hand in the spinning blade.
Hmm. Good thing they are not surgeons? Most surgeons I know (I'm an orthopaedic surgeon) would starve if they had to be cabinet makers or other fine wood workers. We use equipment that is at best the equivalent of B&D (but because it is sterilizable a handpiece costs 15-20K). Sure we can't walk over and pickup another board if we mess up the one we are working on but the major difference is that bone is a living organism and bone grows. It amazes me that in my shop I can build jigs to do exactly what I want, I can set up a plane to take a couple of thou thickness off and do it, and yet in the operating room it wouldn't be surprising to eyeball a cut, measure with a set of metal fixed angle triangles, etc.Fine woodworkers are generally far better technicians than surgeons. Sure there are some fantastic surgeons but I've seen a number of fantastic woodworkers who take their craft just as seriously, and work to improve there skills just as aggressively, as surgeons.A tongue in cheek definition of an orthopeadic surgeon: "Someone who measures with a micrometer, marks with chalk, and cuts with an axe."
Guess that's another reason to follow safe procedures and avoid having to be sewn up! LOL. I have a great deal of respect for medical personnel. I can always throw out my mistakes and get a new piece to operate on.Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
That is so.
Recently I had a visitor to my shop who spent four days watching me make planes (and there was a lot of talking).He came to collect his mitre plane.
The gentleman is pictured here- also an Orthopaedic Surgeon, living and working in Tahiti. In addition to those points you make there is the question of time: often the work has to be done as quickly as possible, no time for dilly dallying and the work is wet, and slippery...Philip Marcou
Good point. The constraint of time. In the operating room time is a scarce commodity and not for reasons you might think. If working with a tourniquet it has to come down in 2 hours - so the work has to be done start to finish in 2 hours. If not using a tourniquet, blood loss climbs up and it's important to to minimize open incision time.Ah you know, surgeons believe that sun shines out of their a&&h0135. It's too bad really. I'm sorry to have to say that given that I am one of the crowd.mark
"Ah you know, surgeons believe that sun shines out of their a&&h0135. It's too bad really. I'm sorry to have to say that given that I am one of the crowd"
Well, a microscopic minority may believe....
But I can tell you an amusing story of one such member of that minority:
Some twentysomething years ago a certain apprentice broke his lower leg (that part between knee and foot☺). A reknowned surgeon fitted a plate fixed by screws-but an X ray showed at least one screw broken off and the piece remaining.
"When you see Mr X again tell him your boss wants to instruct him on how to drill correct size pilot holes and drive screws without breaking them".
This was meant to be a joke, I was the boss and it was a well known furniture factory at the time. The guy had a sense of humour failure and atually complained to the group chairman- something about his reputation being jeopardised.
The chairman had a sense of humour.
My surgeon friend/customer from Tahiti expalined how that can happen and the pros and cons of leaving the pieces or removing them-all perfectly understandable.
Philip Marcou
My wife and I visited my daughter and family in Minnesota, about a month ago. They have a large (German Shepherd) type dog. My wife took it for a walk but the dog overpowered her and instead of turning it loose she held on and hit the pavement with her elbow. Shattered all to pieces. I was very disappointed. Might have felt like breaking her arm a time or two (not really) in the past but to have it really happen is a shock. She is a very gracious and loving woman.
Waited most of the afternoon to find a hospital and doctor who could fix her up. It is so gratifying to have the technology available. Good operation, good technology and she is well on her way to recovery. She will never be able to lift a baby again (unless it is a premy) but it is so much better that having it amputated. Don't suppose this really belongs in this post but couldn't resist.
Fingers shimgers. Can you imagine the dust this yo-yo breaths in just using that sander?
Cheers,
Peter
One of the downsides of the democratic nature of the Web is that any fool can put their bad practices on display to everyone. The follow-on downside is that other fools can adopt the same techniques. Unfortunately, this usually happens *after* they have already reproduced, thereby ensuring a continuous supply of fools.
Thanks for posting that link.
I guess my first impression is that I feel a little bit sorry for the guy. It's clear he just doesn't know any better. I'll bet he's super proud of what he does in his shop, no doubt his loved ones probably encourage him. If there is any justice at all, someone who knows him and knows better will tell him what he's doing wrong and make him stop. The only fatality I've heard of in a shop occurred at a lathe. Those were turning blanks he was prepping! The guy needs some guidance. I fear a total tragedy is just waiting to happen there.
YIKES!
-Paul
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